Bruce Graham and Thelma Massey; Eagle Mill Reunion Interviews

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GEORGE STONEY: You recognize the main street -

BRUCE GRAHAM: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: - there? Let me take it out of this sleeve and -

GRAHAM: And, yeah, I - yeah, yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: Can you see it all right?

GRAHAM: Mm-hmm. (inaudible)

GRAHAM: [See, that’s down in?] Gastonia.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, uh-huh. Let’s see, we got another picture, here. Here, uh, these are Labor Day parades in Gastonia in 1934.

THELMA MASSEY: Yeah, (inaudible)

GRAHAM: [And then the?] - turn back that there.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

GRAHAM: Thank you. What’s - where [that - here?]. Ain’t that (inaudible) 1:00[look, that face?] -

MASSEY: No.

GRAHAM: Huh?

MASSEY: No.

GRAHAM: That’s in Gastonia.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

MASSEY: [That’s still not Mr. Massey?] -

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

MASSEY: - [the?] -

GRAHAM: I’m - I’m, uh - I’m -

MASSEY: [No?].

GRAHAM: Uh, that’s in Gastonia.

MASSEY: Mm-hmm. No, that’s not him. (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Uh, let’s see, it - United Textile Workers, see, there - and here, they - all outside the mill.

GRAHAM: My, oh, my, oh, and you’re [leaving me?] some mail.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

MASSEY: [Might be a?] (inaudible) might not (inaudible)

GRAHAM: Huh?

MASSEY: (inaudible)

GRAHAM: See that? What do you got in there?

MASSEY: [I’m gonna look?] (inaudible)

GRAHAM: Going to -

F2: (inaudible) did you get the paper this morning?

GRAHAM: No, get the paper, [Nanny?].

F2: [OK?].

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GEORGE STONEY: And this is Albert [Hanson?]. He was from [Smyes?]. He’s up making a speech at the strike. And there’s a whole bunch of them in the - the city park.

GRAHAM: Yeah (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: That’s a - you had -

GRAHAM: [Well, where’s that at?]?

GEORGE STONEY: That’s in a municipal park in Gastonia.

GRAHAM: Oh.

GEORGE STONEY: Um, Labor Day, Sept- er, first - Labor Day in September, 1934. That’s just when the strike started. So, there were just thousands and thousands of people out. There’s some more of them.

GRAHAM: They’re from Gastonia?

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GEORGE STONEY: They’re from Gastonia, yeah. These girls are from Gastonia.

GRAHAM: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

GRAHAM: [She’s?] -

GEORGE STONEY: Textile workers get ready. (laughter) Yeah. We’re trying to find these three women now. This is up at Belmont. Remember, when they - when they bayoneted that, uh, striker up in Belmont?

GRAHAM: Mmm.

GEORGE STONEY: And this is in Charlotte, the big meeting -

MASSEY: Did you get the paper?

GEORGE STONEY: The big meeting before the -

MASSEY: [Did she get?] -

GRAHAM: [She get?] the paper?

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F3: Oh, I see it, [by the safety tie?].

GRAHAM: (laughs) You know, go down [there?] - oh, you got on something on your feet. I thought you was barefoot.

MASSEY: [I don’t know, I don’t?] -

(break in audio)

(pause; laughter)

MASSEY: [Oh, as they?] telephone (inaudible) [that’s my?] - (phone rings)

GEORGE STONEY: [Hey?], how we doing? Jamie?

MASSEY: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

MASSEY: (inaudible)

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(pause)

JAMIE STONEY: [Something’s going on?] (inaudible) (pause) It’s on a nice two shot.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

JUDITH HELFAND: That was nice, [going in - the pictures?].

GEORGE STONEY: OK, can you hear me, Judy?

HELFAND: Mm-hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: OK. Let me show you some of these pictures, [then?]. This - these two women came down to the food line that the union was running in Gastonia, and we found this woman, here.

GRAHAM: Mmm.

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GEORGE STONEY: And this is the big Labor Day parade in Gastonia. You recognize Main Street?

GRAHAM: Mm-hmm, yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: You think you recognize any of the people?

GRAHAM: No, mm-mm. No, I don’t.

GEORGE STONEY: It’s a long time ago. And here’s another Labor Day parade in Gastonia. People from Ranlo.

GRAHAM: Mm-hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: Did you know folks from Ranlo?

GRAHAM: No.

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh.

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GRAHAM: I don’t believe I’ve been in Ranlo - two or three times. (laughs)

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm. And here’s a big meeting, uh, one of the big union leaders named Albert Henson is up talking to the people.

GRAHAM: Where that at?

GEORGE STONEY: Right - this is in front of the, um, Parkdale Mill. Parkdale, in Gastonia.

GRAHAM: Mm-hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: OK?

JAMIE STONEY: [So?], one more.

HELFAND: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: OK, all right. This is a - a big crowd of folks that came to the municipal park after that big Labor Day parade. Looks like -

GRAHAM: That’s in Gastonia.

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GEORGE STONEY: Gastonia. Did you know that all of that was going on then?

GRAHAM: If I do, I done forgot it.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm. Well, the next day, they shut down, at the Eagle. And, uh, I think were down for how long? How long were they out?

GRAHAM: I done forgot it.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm. That’s some more of them fellas at the gate.

HELFAND: I wonder what Mr. Graham thinks about seeing all those people in those pictures?

GEORGE STONEY: Um, does this bring back any memories to you?

MASSEY: (inaudible)

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GRAHAM: That’s in Gastonia.

GEORGE STONEY: That’s right.

MASSEY: [Who’s that?]?

F1: Mom.

MASSEY: [Oh, yeah?].

GEORGE STONEY: Do you remember going to any parades?

GRAHAM: No, I never did go [to that?].

MASSEY: (inaudible) [he was at?] (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F1: [Mom?].

MASSEY: Oh, [you’ve - go ahead and make a call for?] (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: OK, I think that -

HELFAND: OK, Jamie -

JAMIE STONEY: I’m going to go get (inaudible)

HELFAND: - let’s take a still of the -

JAMIE STONEY: - meter’s not working.

HELFAND: - [my?] - yeah.

JAMIE STONEY: [I’m an oddball?]. Let me just adjust [camera?].

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

JAMIE STONEY: [Just?] turn the camera off (inaudible)

HELFAND: Sure.

GEORGE STONEY: No, I think it’s - it can go off.

(break in audio)

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GRAHAM: Uh, (inaudible) [get that from?]?

HELFAND: [What do you think I?] -

GEORGE STONEY: (inaudible)

GRAHAM: (inaudible)

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JAMIE STONEY: [Those are the washed out - so you’re saying?] that they put the stuff in -

GRAHAM: Uh, (inaudible)

HELFAND: Oh, you know what? [I think that we can?] (inaudible) [the mill?] -

(break in audio)

JAMIE STONEY: What, the plane?

HELFAND: No. [OK?].

GEORGE STONEY: All right.

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(pause)

JAMIE STONEY: [No, but I pull?] -

GEORGE STONEY: (inaudible)

(pause)

GEORGE STONEY: (inaudible)

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HELFAND: OK.

(break in audio)

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JAMIE STONEY: (laughs) American Gothic. (laughter)

HELFAND: You in tight on him.

JAMIE STONEY: Yeah, [do you want to move?]? (laughs)

HELFAND: Nah.

GEORGE STONEY: [Should be?] (inaudible) [the other tape?]. I’m rolling.

HELFAND: Hey, George.

JAMIE STONEY: [Here, give them to me, I’m just going to go down?] -

HELFAND: Yeah.

JAMIE STONEY: (inaudible)

HELFAND: We should get George out of the way so you can get into the house, right? Pan from the mailbox to the house.

JAMIE STONEY: [Yeah, but?] -

HELFAND: Get a still on the mailbox with his name on it, and then -

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JAMIE STONEY: (inaudible)

M1: (inaudible)

F1: (inaudible)

(pause)

GEORGE STONEY: [Start on the?] - yeah, [hold it up a little more, a little more?] -

JAMIE STONEY: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: - [if you need to. Yeah, good?].

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JAMIE STONEY: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: OK, I think [we’re good?].

JAMIE STONEY: Yeah, [we’re good?].

GEORGE STONEY: Getting the -

JAMIE STONEY: I just wanted to get one shot here.

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

HELFAND: Hmm, you know what? Before you move -

JAMIE STONEY: What?

HELFAND: [Do we have?] - (break in audio) - wide angle adapter [in it?]?

JAMIE STONEY: No, I’m doing nature.

HELFAND: OK, OK.

JAMIE STONEY: A David Attenborough kind of thing.

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(pause)

HELFAND: [Go get your dad - oh?] -

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GEORGE STONEY: - [the?] - to do some photography -

M1: Oh, yeah?

GEORGE STONEY: - on the Eagle reunion.

M1: Well, I’m here to see how many people I recognize. (laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: When did you leave the Eagle?

M1: Thirty years ago, 32 years ago.

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GEORGE STONEY: I know what you feel like, [that?] -

M1: Well, do you?

GEORGE STONEY: Well, it’s like going to a high school reunion, isn’t it?

M1: Yes, it is.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M1: Very much like going -

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M1: - to a high school reunion.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, yeah.

M1: It’s a - but I’m looking for faces.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah. But is this group over here from the Eagle, do you think?

M1: I think we’ll find out soon enough -

GEORGE STONEY: OK, yeah.

M1: - [anyway?].

GEORGE STONEY: We’ll just go over there and - Jamie, let’s go over there and see.

JAMIE STONEY: Sure, um -

GEORGE STONEY: OK?

JAMIE STONEY: - [do we think?] -

GEORGE STONEY: [Betty Henson, uh?] (inaudible)

M1: Debbie Henson? Not Debbie Henson.

GEORGE STONEY: Betty Henson.

M1: Betty Henson.

GEORGE STONEY: Did you know her?

M1: Uh, her - her - she was Floyd Miller’s daughter.

GEORGE STONEY: Yes, that’s right, yeah.

M1: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah. Is this - some of this Eagle - (break in audio) [OK, now?] -

F5: All in the same family. (laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: You’re kidding?

F5: No, I’m not! (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: What family’s that?

F5: The Hill family.

GEORGE STONEY: The Hill family. (laughter) Well, what we’re doing - we’re making a film about textiles in the early ’30s.

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F5: Right.

GEORGE STONEY: And, uh, lot of places are having these reunions now, so we thought we’d come over and see what it looked like.

F5: I think we might be one of the largest families that was raised at the Eagle.

M2: We was the largest.

M1: Was?

F5: Was?

GEORGE STONEY: Well -

F5: Was, OK, was. (laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

F5: [Yeah, we did, yeah?].

GEORGE STONEY: Let’s get a good shot of the Hills. (laughter) [My gosh?].

M2: [Oh, they could be here?] -

F5: [Yeah?] (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Well, do you (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) you either must have worked as child laborers or something.

F5: (inaudible) our mother (inaudible) [yeah?] -

M1: No, they all - all of ’em - most of these women, here -

F6: I did.

F5: [Yeah, did you?]?

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M1: [We?] did. Elsie -

F5: [Did you?] -

F6: And Daniel did.

M1: And Daniel.

M2: [Now, I wasn’t?] -

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

M1: Uh, Dean, David -

F6: David.

F7: [David, here?] -

M1: Peggy? Peggy, did you ever work at the Eagle?

F7: Yeah (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

M1: Yeah? Shirley? You didn’t, did you?

F5: No.

F6: I didn’t either (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) yeah.

F7: [Virginia?] -

F5: I never [was?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

M2: Yeah, [I?] (inaudible) every three hours. (laughter) (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F5: - [our activity?] today.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

F5: [Yeah?]? (laughter)

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F6: [Yeah, but he won’t?] - we all worked [with?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

M1: I worked there for about -

F5: You [were, too?]?

M1: - [four?] years, yeah.

F5: I’ll be darned.

M1: (inaudible)

F6: I don’t know how many years I worked there. A long time (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) [we?] all did.

M1: No, Shirley didn’t, [not Candice?].

GEORGE STONEY: No?

F6: [So, just?] - and you - you did, too?

F5: [Yeah, I worked there?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F6: I worked there 15 years.

F7: I know Shirley [did?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: What do you think, uh, started all this, getting together like this?

M1: Well, Roger Wince, so - Four Square Minster did.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M1: He started it. We started with a bunch of guys getting together. And then they said, “Well, let’s include the families.”

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M1: So, uh, everybody started bringing their families to it. So, now it’s up - last year, I think it had 170-something -

F7: [It’s 170?].

M1: - people here.

F7: Yes.

M3: (inaudible)

M1: I haven’t been here for three years.

F7: [I can’t - I can’t?] -

M1: The last time I was here was in ’89.

F7: Yeah.

M1: So, yeah, we’re all brother and sister and sister-in-laws and nieces, nephews, and, um -

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F7: Yeah (inaudible)

M1: Mom and Dad -

F7: - [they?] -

M3: And brother-in-law.

F7: - they - they came all the way from Naples, Florida.

F6: Yeah, they did, [thanks for coming?].

F7: And she did, too. (laughter) She came -

F6: They’re [brother and sister?] (inaudible)

F7: - they did, they did.

F5: Yep.

M2: Yeah.

F7: Grace did.

M2: (inaudible)

F7: She’s from Naples.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, we’ve been over at the Eagle, doing some pictures of the - of the old village.

F5: Yeah.

M1: [So, we’re down?] -

GEORGE STONEY: And -

M1: Mom and Dad [lived?] in the same house. It was tore down (inaudible) they moved in it new when they lived there, so they moved out and they tore it down when they moved out, [so that?] -

GEORGE STONEY: Fellow named Michaels took us over there and took us down to the spring where the people used to bathe and -

M1: [Jane Lynch?].

F7: Yeah.

F5: Oh, yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: Remember that?

F7: Yeah.

M1: Jane - it was Jane’s house, yeah.

F7: Yeah.

F5: Yeah.

F7: Oh, yeah.

M1: Had the - they still got that cement block [over?] -

GEORGE STONEY: We - you know, we could - finally couldn’t find the spring. We went down the hill -

M1: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: - and I fell down [or something like that?]. (laughter)

M1: Well, they had - used to have a cement, uh, cover [there?].

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

F7: Oh, yeah.

F6: [Here’s some more?]

F7: Oh, yeah.

F6: - from the Eagle. They -

F7: Yeah.

F6: - they worked there years before I ever did.

F5: Yeah.

F7: Uh-huh.

M1: Here’s a bunch more, yeah.

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GEORGE STONEY: Ah, we’ve met this guy before. (laughter)

F7: Yeah. (laughter)

M3: How you doing?

GEORGE STONEY: I knew you’d come. It’s great to see - hello. It’s good to see you again.

M3: That’s my son over yonder, and daughter.

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh. (laughter) Well, we’re getting ready to [film?] inside.

M3: Yeah?

GEORGE STONEY: We’ve been talking to some other people who told us a - a lot of stories, very similar to the ones you did.

M3: Yeah, yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: We were out -

M3: Ha! (laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: You remember her?

M3: Oh, yeah, I remember. (laughs)

GEORGE STONEY: We were out with Bruce Graham this morning.

M3: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: And he was telling us about, uh, his times in the mill.

M3: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: I’m sure you remember him.

M3: Yeah, I remember Bruce, yeah.

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GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, OK. Well, it was good to see you again.

HELFAND: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: OK, [’cause we were just near?] - that’s where we’re going to have a problem. If we follow -

HELFAND: (inaudible) [Dad?] -

GEORGE STONEY: Yep.

HELFAND: [Just take a?] (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Wonder who’s going to be the oldest person here?

F8: (inaudible) [I don’t know?] (inaudible)

JAMIE STONEY: (inaudible)

F8: [I don’t know, but?] we won’t be the oldest.

GEORGE STONEY: You won’t be the oldest?

F8: No (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

F8: - [right over there?].

GEORGE STONEY: [That’s the secret?].

F8: Mm. [What are they doing?]?

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(pause)

M4: (inaudible) [here?]?

GEORGE STONEY: No, go on down.

M4: Oh, there?

GEORGE STONEY: Or, wait a minute, no -

JAMIE STONEY: [No?], it’s this door, right here.

GEORGE STONEY: Right here?

JAMIE STONEY: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: It’s right in the back. It’s around that way.

M4: [Right?] around?

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GEORGE STONEY: Yes, that’s it. (multiple conversations; inaudible) Yeah, and they - they’ve got tables back there.

F8: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, there - this is the Eagle?

F9: Eagle? Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

F10: Glad to have y’all with us tonight.

F11: Yeah. (laughs) [I’m thankfully?] -

GEORGE STONEY: (inaudible)

F11: - glad to be here.

F9: Well, good! I hope you are!

F11: Yeah. (laughs)

(laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: [We?] - (multiple conversations; inaudible)

F5: [Great?]!

GEORGE STONEY: [We’ve already been getting some?] people outside.

F5: Yeah, [I would hope?].

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah (inaudible)

F5: [No?], my brother that I didn’t know I had.

GEORGE STONEY: Really? Oh, yes. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

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F9: Oh! Excuse me. (multiple conversations; inaudible) Yeah, this is Mr. [Stoney?].

GEORGE STONEY: Hello.

JAMIE STONEY: Mr. Stoney, glad to meet (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F9: Larry - Larry [Stephens?].

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah,[all right?].

F7: Oh, here’s Albert [Beale?].

GEORGE STONEY: Yes.

F7: How ’bout that?

GEORGE STONEY: [We’re?] talking with him outside. Hello.

M4: How you doing, [here?]?

GEORGE STONEY: It’s good to see you.

M4: Good to see you.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M4: [It’s been a good?] -

GEORGE STONEY: Hello.

M4: - uh, about a year, maybe. (laughs)

GEORGE STONEY: That’s right. (laughs)

HELFAND: Right.

F7: You staying (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F5: [I expect I - uh, we’re?] - (multiple conversations; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: The ladies on the right, inside, are looking at old pictures.

M5: [So, my?] - hello!

M4: [Hello?].

M5: How you doing tonight? Good to see you folks.

M4: Good to see you.

M5: You all come on in and get you a seat. How you doing?

HELFAND: (inaudible)

M5: Good to see you.

HELFAND: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Yes, [that is?] -

HELFAND: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah. The Hills.

HELFAND: Uh-huh.

M5: Come right on in the house. (multiple conversations; inaudible) Hello, 44:00there! Good to see you. (multiple conversations; inaudible)

F5: Mr. Stoney.

M5: [Well, there?] -

F5: This is Mary Francis, that worked for General Motors.

GEORGE STONEY: Oh, very pleased to see you.

F5: [She wants to?] meet you.

F10: Nice to see you.

M5: [Well, they’re?] -

GEORGE STONEY: I guess, uh -

F10: Welcome to [town?].

GEORGE STONEY: Thank you. I guess -

F5: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: - Betty’s told you what we’re doing?

F10: Yes.

GEORGE STONEY: Good, good.

F10: [Gonna get?] (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Good, thank you, yeah. Jamie, I’m going to -

M5: There you are!

GEORGE STONEY: - go outside for a moment. [Do you?] - over there with the ladies who -

JAMIE STONEY: OK, yeah, [can you?] grab -

GEORGE STONEY: - are looking at the pictures.

JAMIE STONEY: - the bags and the tripod?

GEORGE STONEY: I will do that, yeah.

M5: [Hey, Aunt Esther?]!

F11: Well, hey, Roger! I spoke to you and you didn’t -

M5: I didn’t see you.

M4: Oh!

F11: [No, we didn’t?] -

M5: Start a family feud, [again?] (laughter)

JAMIE STONEY: [Pan?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

M4: - [first ones?]. (laughter)

F10: (inaudible) Roger, how you doing?

M5: [Uh, who’d you see?]?

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(multiple conversations; inaudible)

F10: She’s (inaudible)

M5: Oh. (laughs)

F9: [Now, this is?] (inaudible)

F7: Well, you’d better (inaudible) (laughter) you know Buddy [Steverson?]? (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) [this is him?]?

F11: [That’s him?], but it’s not (inaudible) (laughter) no, no.

HELFAND: [Changing?] -

F11: [Hi, Sweet?]!

F10: Hey (inaudible)

(multiple conversations; inaudible)

YVONNIE HILL: - little later on. Are we supposed to smile? Or are we supposed to ignore all of ya’s?

HELFAND: Why don’t you just keep on doing what you’re doing?

HILL: Well, we’re looking at the old pictures -

F6: [On the?] pictures -

HILL: - [of all - just?] trying to get - identify ’em, ’cause I know this is back in 19 and - what would you say?

F6: Uh, 19 and 30 -

M4: That was made in 1929, I believe.

HILL: Twenty-nine or ’30 when that -

M4: Yeah.

HELFAND: When was it made?

HILL: ’Bout 19-

M4: I believe 1929.

HILL: But the - we’ve identified just about all of ’em.

M4: Yeah, ’cause my mother is on there, and she’s 84 now.

HILL: [Yeah?].

M4: And she’s right here somewhere.

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HILL: That’s her, right there.

M4: That it? Right there?

F7: Mm-hmm.

M4: OK.

F6: [There she is?].

HILL: But I didn’t recognize -

M4: I should’ve brought my glasses.

HILL: - and so, I didn’t recognize her.

M4: I could’ve helped you a lot more with that.

F6: Well, [I let - we had - the?] - I’ll let you borrow mine.

M4: Let me go get Margaret’s. (laughter)

F6: Oh, dear.

M4: And I’ll try to help you out.

F6: [We?] -

M4: (inaudible)

F6: Yeah.

HILL: No, but (inaudible)

M4: [Here, the?] (inaudible) [two people sleeping?].

F6: I should have brought my camera, [shouldn’t I?]?

M4: [They’re on their way - and I?] picked out [Irma?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

HILL: [I would like?] to meet some of these people around here, but I can’t (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) [I don’t know some?] (inaudible)

F6: [Well, when you’ve been?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: [Be sure?] to give me this book again.

F12: Listen, I want you - what do you mean?

GEORGE STONEY: Uh, you want to get over here, Jamie?

JAMIE STONEY: Sure.

F12: Oh! Oh.

GEORGE STONEY: Just so - I never seen it before.

F12: Oh, yeah. (laughter) Well, that’s a good idea. Now, this is, uh, Robert Lee Stowe, pioneer in textiles.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

F12: And it’s yours.

GEORGE STONEY: Mine? Well -

F12: Yeah.

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GEORGE STONEY: - where’d you get it?

F12: Well, I - they gave a lot of us - when it was printed, we - we got them from the - the Stowe Mill office up there. So, they gave out a lot of them. And I - I sure did enjoy it, and I thought you might -

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F12: - enjoy it, too.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, don’t you want to keep it? It’s -

F12: Oh, no, I want you to have it. I [won’t?] - I don’t have anybody down [to turn?] - you know, so you’re welcome to it.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, thank you very much.

F12: [So you can?] (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: We’ll put it - we’ll put it with our archives, with all the other things we’re collecting -

F12: Oh, well, great!

GEORGE STONEY: - you see?

F12: Right, [just?] -

GEORGE STONEY: So, that, uh -

F12: And I know - I know you’ll appreciate it, mm-hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: I’ve - I’ve seen it, but I haven’t read it.

F12: Mm-hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: Thank you very much.

F12: Well, you’re very welcome.

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

F12: Very welcome.

GEORGE STONEY: I’m going to leave it right here, if I could leave it -

F12: Sure.

GEORGE STONEY: - safe here in this sleeve.

F12: Sure.

GEORGE STONEY: Good, OK?

F12: OK!

GEORGE STONEY: Thank you.

F12: Mm-hmm.

F5: Yeah, I tell you, we was about ready to back out -

M4: (inaudible)

F5: - but we made it! (laughs)

F10: [And?] this is my brother, [Larry?].

GEORGE STONEY: [How are you doing?]?

F5: Oh, is it?

F10: Mm-hmm.

F5: Oh my goodness, hey!

F6: (inaudible) [Laura?].

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F5: Yes, yes. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) [Sure did, I’m here in this?] -

M5: [You’ll never forget it?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) (laughter)

F7: I may - I know it’s not. But, you know -

F5: It is, really!

F7: It is?

F5: That’s my brother.

F9: [Oh, sure enough is?].

F5: Yeah.

F9: Well, I didn’t know you had a brother. All them years, (laughter) and you didn’t say anything?

F5: I didn’t know him ’til 1989.

F9: [Sure, now?].

F5: Uh-huh.

F9: Oh, my goodness. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) And that - that’s Wanda. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

M5: Strange thing is, she named her son the same as me.

F9: Yes?

F5: They’re both Larry.

F9: Yes?

M5: Middle name and all, the same.

F9: Oh!

F5: The strange thing, too, is there’s four more boys, four more brothers. [And he’s?] (inaudible)

F9: (inaudible)

M5: (inaudible) [about that?].

F5: Yeah.

F6: Oh (inaudible)

(multiple conversations; inaudible)

JAMIE STONEY: Anybody else?

GEORGE STONEY: No.

F5: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: No.

M5: [Is that right?]?

F5: [Doing the Charleston?].

M5: [That’s a?] (inaudible) Charleston. (laughter) (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

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F5: We grew up together, [and Daddy - that’s?] - best friends.

M5: [That - right?].

F5: We had good, good [times?].

M5: The other (inaudible) there was telling me about growing up [with her?].

F5: Yeah. [And he’d?] keep us laughing. (laughter)

M5: (inaudible)

F9: Comic. (laughs)

F5: [We did?] some crazy things.

F9: Oh, my.

F13: Excuse me. Oh, now, Betty told me your were coming!

GEORGE STONEY: Hmm? Yeah.

F13: And, uh, so we got here.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, she’s been a great help to us, helping us find a lot of people who remember the early ’30s -

F13: Mm-hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: - which is what we’re interested in.

F13: Yeah. Well -

F9: Well, that’s good.

F13: - what did we do? [Waltz?]? Was that what we were doing? (laughter) “Waltz to the Carolina Moon.”

M5: [Yeah, there goes?] -

F9: Oh my goodness! (laughs)

GEORGE STONEY: She found an old record.

F9: Did you?

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah. (laughter)

F9: (inaudible) (laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: It was very sweet. F9: Oh!

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah

F9: Yeah, uh -

GEORGE STONEY: And you still had it?

F13: Yeah, I got it.

GEORGE STONEY: [Was it - right?]?

F13: Oh, yeah, I brought it.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, mm-hmm.

F9: Yeah, I’ll play it for you tonight.

F13: Yeah, I brought my mother and my husband’s mother.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah?

F13: They’re - they’re old, and I wanted them to come -

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh, uh-huh.

F13: - because the - you know, they -

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

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F13: - they’re some of the oldest ones that were on the mill, there.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, maybe you could take us over and - and, uh - just a - [well?], he’s going to get the pictures here, first.

F13: Did you know what year this was on this one?

M5: Huh?

F13: Do you know what year this was on the -

M5: No, I don’t.

GEORGE STONEY: Oh, those are great ones.

F13: But see, that was in, what -

M5: Well, Big Don -

F13: - 19-

M5: - Big Don Caldwell.

F13: Yeah.

F7: He’s trying to film that.

M5: [Paula Steele?].

F13: That has a year on that one, on the back of that one.

M5: There’s [Fred Hollyfield?]. That - some of ’em, I - you know.

F13: There’s daddy.

F7: Oh, but if he’s -

M5: Yeah.

F7: - trying to film this -

F13: And there’s mama.

JAMIE STONEY: [Going around?] again, please?

F13: That’s - excuse me?

JAMIE STONEY: Could you point your mother out again, please?

F13: Uh, there’s my mom, and there’s my dad.

M5: Right here is Uncle Tom [London?]. That’s - he was just - just everybody’s uncle -

F13: [He was?].

M5: - I guess. That’s why they called him Uncle Tom. He was a good ol’ fella.

GEORGE STONEY: You know what year that was?

M5: Twenty-eight, 1928.

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh, 1928, uh-huh, oh.

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M5: There’s my aunt, [Janey?] Caldwell.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

M5: He was my cousin -

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

M5: - John Caldwell. I don’t believe my daddy was on here.

GEORGE STONEY: Is Mr. Michaels on there?

F13: George Michaels.

M5: Uh, gosh, I wouldn’t know him. I -

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

M5: I mean, I knew him, but now I wouldn’t -

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, yeah.

M5: - wouldn’t recognize him here.

GEORGE STONEY: Sure, yeah.

F13: Isn’t this the guy that got killed in, what, World War II? You remember, uh - I can’t remember his name. He lived two doors up from us. I never will forget, we were all sitting on -

M5: I remember that, but I can’t think of his name, either.

F13: We were all sitting on the front steps, and they had just (inaudible)

(break in audio)

M4: [Hey?]!

M6: [How the hell are you?]?

M4: How you doing, boy? Good to have you both!

M5: (inaudible)

F13: [Yeah?].

M5: (inaudible)

F13: (inaudible)

M5: Yeah, [that’s ma. And my own - this?] -

F10: Hello, hon, how are you?

F13: [There’s Shawn?].

F6: I’m fine, and you?

F10: We’re fine.

F6: [We’re?] good. It’s always good to see people (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: The name of the fella who wrote that letter -

F13: (inaudible) [speaking?]?

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F12: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: [That’s OK?].

F7: [Yeah?].

F13: [Are you?] (inaudible)

F7: Here’s [Miss Charity?].

GEORGE STONEY: Did you know a Mr. E.M. Wallace?

M5: Wallace, yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh. Is he on these pictures?

M5: I don’t know. I don’t know if I’d recognize him, you know, back -

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M5: When this picture -

F13: Back then.

M5: - was made.

F13: [But Mr. Pliny Mills?] could probably tell you.

M5: That picture was -

F13: Pliny Mills.

GEORGE STONEY: Pliny Mills.

F13: He could probably tell you more -

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh.

F13: - about these than anyone.

GEORGE STONEY: Is he coming, you think?

F13: Uh-huh.

M5: That picture was made when I was about -

F7: [Now, Betty could?] -

M5: - well, three years before -

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh.

M5: - I was born -

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh.

M5: - matter of fact.

F13: Uh, Betty -

JAMIE STONEY: No wonder you don’t recognize - (laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah. (laughs)

M5: (laughter) That’s why - I know ’em -

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

M5: - and - and all of ’em -

GEORGE STONEY: Sure.

M5: - nearly, you know.

GEORGE STONEY: What -

F13: There right there is my uncle.

M5: But I don’t recognize ’em -

GEORGE STONEY: Uh-huh, this was made -

M5: - all the faces back then.

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GEORGE STONEY: - in, what, ’24? Doesn’t have a date on it.

F13: No, this one doesn’t have a date. This is the only one - has a date.

GEORGE STONEY: With the ’20 on it, uh-huh.

(break in audio)

F9: [Hi, there?]! (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

JAMIE STONEY: Now, we didn’t have a camera rolling, no fair.

F7: This is Fred Hollyfield.

M5: There’s [Mud, this is?] -

F13: Uncle Tom London, that -

F7: Mm-hmm.

F13: - her - her dad was known as Uncle Tom London.

F7: Everybody knew him as Uncle Tom.

M5: (inaudible)

F6: Yeah, there’s [Patsy?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F7: Yeah.

F9: [Janey Caldwell?].

F7: I don’t believe Mr. Wallace was on this one.

F13: [Probably with his own?] (inaudible)

M5: I wouldn’t - I wouldn’t know him if I’d see him, that -

F7: I don’t either.

M5: - that -

F7: I don’t believe he was, either.

F13: Mm-mm.

F7: But, now Betty’s -

F6: (inaudible)

F7: - got a picture of he and Miss Wallace, [Jackie and Bertie?].

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F7: Mm-hmm.

F13: You could probably (inaudible)

F7: That’s (inaudible)

M5: There’s Daddy.

F7: That’s Joe Hilton.

F6: Yeah, yeah.

F13: Do you think it - that he might be on this one?

M5: Mr. Nicholls (inaudible) Hill.

F6: And here’s, uh -

F7: And Sadie.

M5: Dennis [Klonder?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F6: And [Frances Hilton?].

GEORGE STONEY: Hmm.

F7: Yes.

M5: [Arlene Beatty?].

F7: And, uh, that’s, uh, [Coot Cherry?], there. No, that’s Helen, uh -

M5: [Bruce Villar?].

F7: - that’s Helen Nichols.

M5: [Arliss Millen?].

F6: [Is it?]?

F7: Mm-hmm.

M5: [You - you were saying?] -

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F13: You know about all of ’em, don’t you?

M5: Yeah, I know ’em, but -

F6: I remember when [we used to?] (inaudible)

M5: - a lot of faces (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F6: - uh-huh.

M5: This [young?] (inaudible) [Henson?].

F13: That’s Janey (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: [Film?] the other side, [crossing?] their hands, that’s pretty nice.

JAMIE STONEY: OK.

M5: [A lot?] - here he is, on the [front?] -

F6: But I don’t believe [Candice Wallace?] -

M5: - sitting there -

F6: - was on (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) remember what -

(break in audio)

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F11: You’re not [Albert Beale?]!

M6: That is Albert, and I’m Junior. I’m Junior. (laughter)

F11: (inaudible) that’s Albert (inaudible) [baseball?] -

F13: And that’s Mama. (laughter) [Here’s?] - well, this is Janey Caldwell -

F7: (inaudible) Jane and them (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

(multiple conversations; inaudible)

F11: - we want that - those pictures now - Mr. Wallace -

GEORGE STONEY: No, no -

HELFAND: Oh.

GEORGE STONEY: - we’ll get them later.

F13: Stoney, Mr. Stoney.

F6: Yeah.

M5: [Rusty Hamilton?].

F6: Yeah.

F7: No.

M5: [Over the?] (inaudible)

F7: And I believe this is -

F13: One guy called me from Atlanta this morning, about 5:30 (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) he couldn’t get here. But this is a program -

F7: Yeah, you know, we should do - [and I don’t know?] (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F13: - [where he?] - he was the, uh, [chaplain?] for the Atlanta Braves. They grew [up on the?] Eagle.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F13: John Wilson.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

F13: Reverend John Wilson.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F13: And these were the people he married [out there, yeah?].

GEORGE STONEY: Oh, how nice.

F7: Uh-huh.

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M5: [Miss?] Caldwell.

GEORGE STONEY: That’s nice.

JAMIE STONEY: [It’s right here?].

M5: That’s [Joey Condon?], I believe.

F7: Yeah, sure is.

F6: And this is, uh (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: When you’re through here -

F6: [Yeah, John?] -

GEORGE STONEY: - I have another thing -

HELFAND: [We have Georgina?] - we could get them to redo this, but we can’t get all these hellos again.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm, yeah.

M5: This - this picture, I think, was made in -

F6: [There’s Hatfield?].

M5: - maybe (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Let’s (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

F13: [That’s Hap Wilson?] -

M5: May-

(break in audio)

GEORGE STONEY: Pardon me, ladies.

F15: Yes?

GEORGE STONEY: Could you tell me who these people are and how you knew them?

F15: Who?

HILL: Well, I knew him from his baseball pitching and hitting days, (laughter) back - way back, years ago. And [his son, I had never met him except with his little teeter tot-tot?]. And I really didn’t recognize him ’til he told me who they were. And, uh -

GEORGE STONEY: What did you do in the Eagle?

HILL: I did a little bit of everything. I mostly wound and spooled.

GEORGE STONEY: When did you leave?

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HILL: I left in 19 and ’37, I believe. I been there since 1930. Or, no, not 1930, 19- yeah, I guess 1932, I’ll say.

GEORGE STONEY: So, you - you were there right when it went from 11 hours to eight hours.

HILL: Right, right. I just got married, and - and, uh, it - and we were making five dollars a week, and they went up to a dollar and hour, and we [still?] - 12 - eight hours a day as - [man, did we?] - we were - thought we were rich! (laughter) We could buy the world. But, uh, that was the good old days.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, mm-hmm. Were you there when they tried to organize?

F10: Organize what?

HILL: No. The -

GEORGE STONEY: Uh, organize the union there?

HILL: No.

F10: No.

HILL: If I had’a been, I’d have cussed. (laughter)

GEORGE STONEY: You - you’d have cussed. (laughter)

HILL: I don’t believe in the union, no way, shape, [face?], nor form. Maybe I oughtn’t not to say that on camera, but they done - it done more damage than 57:00it did good in Gaston County, I’ll tell you that.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, if that’s what you believe, that’s what you should say.

HILL: Well, do I know you? Or are you with this crew?

GEORGE STONEY: I - I’m with this crew and, uh, I’m with -

F14: I don’t know, maybe you’s one of the people that worked at the Eagle and I just hadn’t recognized you. (laughter) It seems everybody else here (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: I’m with - with Betty Henson.

F15: Oh, Betty Henson.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, she helped us to come over here.

F15: Oh, that’s good.

GEORGE STONEY: Yes.

F15: That’s good.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

F15: Well, I worked at the Eagle, too.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F14: Was born at the Eagle.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F15: [I worked at?] the Eagle. [I guess?] - when did I fall off that horse? In ’76?

HILL: Oh.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F15: And I fell off a horse and had to quit.

HILL: (inaudible) [like it is?] today. We were families, then, and we - we were real close, everybody. You may have not loved everybody or liked everybody’s ways, but we still were a family.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm.

F15: Yeah, if anything happened, they - everybody just pitched in and helped.

F15: All the children, they were just like little - like your children.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, that’s what lots of people have been telling us.

F15: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

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HILL: Well, that’s the truth of the Eagle Mill.

GEORGE STONEY: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, thank you.

F15: [You?] -