Nell Shadinger, Florence Shadinger, and Grace Shadinger Interview

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 NELL SHADINGER: (inaudible) and the reason why I know it, because see I believe (inaudible). I was already married for the second time, and I married in 1954, and I believe about two years later (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

(break in audio)

GEORGE STONEY: So far, we haven’t found a lot of writing.

JUDITH HELFAND: (inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, well you got the photographs. Yes, show the documents first, and then --

HELFAND: Can we talk about the letter first?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, we would love to see it.

HELFAND: Last time we were here, you mentioned that your momma had written a letter to President Roosevelt.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, (inaudible).

HELFAND: What --

NELL SHADINGER: We knew it.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah. We knew it, but we don’t know (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). I had forgotten it.

NELL SHADINGER: She had told us to like this.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: And we had no idea what she wanted.

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

NELL SHADINGER: She just laughed and said --

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GEORGE STONEY: Start off and say, well Momma told us that she wrote a letter (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: Momma had told us that she had written a letter and laughed about it, but she didn’t -- you know, she took --

GEORGE STONEY: That’s fine Edith. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). Letters to Roosevelt. OK, start again.

NELL SHADINGER: Well, Momma told us that she had written a letter to um, Roosevelt, but we didn’t know what was in it, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I should say.

HELFAND: What -- what made her write that letter, why would she --

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

NELL SHADINGER: We were desperate.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, yeah, (inaudible) she was really upset, and we all loved Roosevelt, and Momma thought that was the answer, that he would do it, whatever she asked for, she thought, you know, I don’t know whether he tried to help her, I’m not -- now that we don’t know. But if he tried, well that was good enough for us, you know. Because you don’t always win. Uh-uh. But 2:00we come out the mill --

NELL SHADINGER: (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, but we have documents from Washington which you might like to see, which we found in the archives.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, OK, yeah well (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) there.

HELFAND: Well, OK, I tried to look for that letter, and I was mistaken, the reason why I knew the Shadinger name was because of this document. Grace, could you read it? Why don’t you read it out loud, so they can hear it? (inaudible) your glasses.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Maybe I can read it better than you.

HELFAND: Oh, do you want to -- no, why don’t you read it?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Her eyes are real bad, I just have one that’s bad.

HELFAND: No?

NELL SHADINGER: Is that what my mother wrote?

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HELFAND: No, it’s not what your mother wrote.

GRACE SHADINGER: No, I would say, this -- my mother didn’t write this.

HELFAND: No, your mother didn’t write this, but --

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Grace, why don’t you just read it?

HELFAND: Nell, why don’t you read it?

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, why don’t you read it?

HELFAND: Nell.

GEORGE STONEY: Nell, you read it.

GRACE SHADINGER: Discrimination. I wish to make a complaint (inaudible) -- I can’t --

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GEORGE STONEY: Nell, why don’t you read it? Let Nell read it.

GRACE SHADINGER: Here, she can see, I have to (inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: Dear Mr. Coffey, I wish to make a complaint of union dues discrimination in violation of section 7-A of the National Industrial Recovery Act against the Newnan Cotton Mill Number One, Newnan, Georgia. This cotton mill has refused to reinstate a large number of strikers and members of the union that were in the employ of that -- let’s see, wait a minute, employed on that concern at the time of the strike. Many workers not members of the union 4:00with less seniority than those refused employment have been employed. Your prompt investigation of this complaint will be greatly appreciated by all the -- following are the names of some of the workers that have been refused employment and are victims of union discrimination. Um, do you want me to call these (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)?

GEORGE STONEY: Yes, call the names out.

NELL SHADINGER: Eddie Step, card room, employment six years. LJ Walden, number two card room, employed more than one and a half years. William Shadnis, spinning room employment one year, two months. Jay M. Farmer, card room employment 30 years, eight months. JE Blacknell, four -- fourth card room, employee of 23 years. Joe Quick, one card room, employment 12 years. LB Smith, number four card room, employment six years. ET Young, twister room, employment 5:0010 years. Ossie Shadinger, card room employment, 15 years.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Who in the world?

NELL SHADINGER: That’s my daddy, but it’s not --

NELL SHADINGER: [JC?].

NELL SHADINGER: Well it’s got Ossie there. Grace Shadinger, spinning room employment six years. RJ Blacknell, spare hand employment 11 years. JA Cooper, spare hand, employment one year, two months. RJ Beam, spare hand, employment seven years, four months. JT Brooks, spare hand, employed one year, four months. Matty Mitchell, cylinder hand, employed 22 years. Gus Barnes, spare hand, employed six years. JW Broom, frame hands, employed 14 years. GL Bean, [speeder?] band, employed 12 years. JD Wallace, pick slugs, employment nine 6:00years. JB Cook, sweeper, employee of nine years. JP Cook, picking slugs, employment eight years. EW Washington, spare hand, employment one year. OL Cash, run frames, employment eight years. ED (inaudible) employed seven years. Al [Malondin?], spinning room, employed five years. Lewis Stone, spinning room, employed three years. Virginia Lewis, spinning room, employed eight years. Alice Bean, spinning room, employed eight years. CL Sprayberry, spinning room, employed one year, HD Topsham, spinning room, employed five years. Eckhart Topsham, spinning room, employed seven years. Is that what you want?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: (inaudible) name back on (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) came back and looked at it. Yeah, [Lula?].

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GRACE SHADINGER: When she come back, Lula looked (inaudible) place. Yeah.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: But Luther Smith there, now it says card room, I thought he (inaudible).

HELFAND: I -- did you know that they -- that the union was trying to help you get reemployed and reinstated in your home?

GRACE SHADINGER: No, I didn’t, I didn’t.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I didn’t either.

HELFAND: You did not know that?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: We didn’t know. We thought that was (inaudible) whatever, you know, they wrote that book (inaudible) that that was it. Now, I don’t know whether any of the other families needed it or not, but I didn’t. Did you get anything from (inaudible) cotton mill?

HELFAND: Well --

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, I said that (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

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HELFAND: I have called the archive for the last couple of days to have my colleague look for it, and she couldn’t find it. And the reason why I knew your name was because I had found this document where they were trying to (inaudible) grievances and really help all of you get your jobs back. So Grace, your name is there. So you lost your job too?

GRACE SHADINGER: I did (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) I wouldn’t have lost my job, but I would not walk in under those sticks, I was frightened.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, well I think that was uh, unfair. She was not a member of the union either.

GRACE SHADINGER: Who?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: You.

GRACE SHADINGER: No, not really, but that uh -- I did get a little piece of paper, a book or something, and I believe -- I think it was after the strike, I’m sure it was after the strike, but (inaudible) three months pay there that I -- you know, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Somebody else wrote it for you. They did. My husband his 9:00daddy did it to all his sons, they didn’t know anything about it.

HELFAND: What did they do?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Nothing, they (inaudible). They didn’t know either. Now --

GEORGE STONEY: Grace, did you ever remember paying dues to the union?

GRACE SHADINGER: I didn’t, she did. In fact, that was after the strike, yeah. And so, they -- I think that was put there for her to (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

GRACE SHADINGER: It was (inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: It was unfair. (inaudible)

NELL SHADINGER: Back then, I don’t see that the union ever helped anyone. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). It was better in some places, but now the union is not very good in a lot of places. It’s really --

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I don’t know anything about a union, not anything.

HELFAND: Grace, what were you saying?

GRACE SHADINGER: (inaudible)

HELFAND: You were saying that you suffered, but the union didn’t help?

GRACE SHADINGER: Oh yes, it’s helped a lot of people. We suffered, you know, but it -- it helped out through the years.

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FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, we suffered (inaudible). But it hurt more people, a lot more, than it gave. Yeah it did.

GEORGE STONEY: How do you feel --

NELL SHADINGER: I suffered.

GEORGE STONEY: -- how do you feel now looking back and knowing that the -- your employers were taking this action if they suspected people of joining the union?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Well, let’s see. I don’t know. But they dismissed (inaudible) for joining the union but still, you know, that was their rules, so they -- at that time --

GRACE SHADINGER: We certainly (inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, we sure did. Or else. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) Yeah, and that was --

NELL SHADINGER: It was like the old saying, the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer. And I think as of today, the rich got richer, they still owe us. I really feel that way.

GRACE SHADINGER: Well I don’t think rich has anything -- had anything to do with that. Just uh --

NELL SHADINGER: I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about the one that was running the ownership of it.

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GRACE SHADINGER: Even the overseers, they had the -- they had to take all orders too, you know? And that was just one of their rules.

HELFAND: You said you’re --

GRACE SHADINGER: Now they offered my job back, um, not too long after that, they said for me to come down there, but one of them (inaudible) said oh, one of the overseers said that now that I didn’t live with my parents, and I wouldn’t accept it on those terms, so he knew what I thought then, about him.

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GRACE SHADINGER: Excuse me, no, [Farmer’s been there 30 years, eight months.

NELL SHADINGER: Daddy had been there 15 years. But I wouldn’t take nothing form back them years, It taught us a lot.

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

GRACE SHADINGER: (inaudible) over there, now we wasn’t ignorant people, but we 12:00knew nothing about union, this was something new. And they went for it. I don’t know who come here to organize, or what, but they helped them a lot. (inaudible)

NELL SHADINGER: What I think about this is that somebody’s trying to get rich, and trying to get what little money the cotton mill did have.

GRACE SHADINGER: Now, I don’t know, I don’t think so. I don’t -- they just -- they wanted to organize, they all -- the people that come to organize, (inaudible). Well, we did too, now I don’t know anything about it now, but (inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Well that wasn’t on the part about the riot, that was very small (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: That was just a small part.

GRACE SHADINGER: We made it.

NELL SHADINGER: The thing about it, we made it, we got good memories to look back to, and it’s like I said, if my mother and daddy could see us today (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

GRACE SHADINGER: Of course, I always miss Momma and Daddy. But uh, I don’t 13:00look back on that part of our lives very much.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: That had been erased, my life, I mean my -- my -- (inaudible) in my subconscious mind probably somewhere, but --

NELL SHADINGER: It just blocks it out.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I just never uh -- it was just another lifetime.

NELL SHADINGER: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: All right, now you went on, and you had a very different experience with unions later, didn’t you?

NELL SHADINGER: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: Could you tell us about that?

NELL SHADINGER: Well, the only thing about it, well I’ll tell you, can I just tell you the reason why I really joined it? Well, I was working in a place, I’d rather not call the name, I was working in a place, and I had the most seniority of the group, and it was a big plant, and it was a good many people. And I had a boss --

GEORGE STONEY: I’m sorry. Could you start off and say, well this is after I left the cotton mill?

NELL SHADINGER: OK. This was after I left the cotton mill, and I worked at this 14:00place 25, almost 26 years, and I was working in a big plant, and they were trying to organize the union into there. Well, I stayed back away from it, from this we had learned, I stayed away from it. And I didn’t have no intention of ever joining, or even signing a paper or anything. And several weeks before this thing happened, this lady came, and she tried to talk me into it, and I wouldn’t sign the paper. So I was sitting at my desk, and at that time, doctors had me (inaudible) going to diet, you know, to lose weight, and I had to drink a lot of water, and I had to go to the bathroom quite a bit. But I was pretty fast with what I was doing. And so, this little boss, she was a woman, and she had less seniority, she was over me, and she was fearing me. She was afraid that I could roll her, on her job or anything, and she was really 15:00(inaudible) to get rid of me. And she’d come out there and call me in the office, and she just threatened to fire me because I had went to the bathroom just a little bit too many times that day, I walked out of that plant, I walked to the union hall, I signed the paper. And it helped. (inaudible) the next day, I walked in that plant, I had on that button, and I was proud to wear that button. And I walked out in front of the -- they couldn’t believe that with as many years as I had and as many as I had worked with, that I would stand out on the front, but I stood out on the front and -- and handed out papers, I went to work (inaudible) and I (inaudible) every morning and stood out, and everyone, they’d come in the plant, I’d hand them (inaudible) -- stand there and hand them papers out. But it worked. But the union didn’t come in, but it worked. It paid off for me. And when I left the company, I retired, after that I retired, and when I left, um, they wanted to talk to me something about it, and I went into their office and some of the bigger bosses says, (inaudible) we wish 16:00you had come and told us earlier. It was just a few months, that lady wasn’t with the company no more. They listened. When something like that happens, sometimes it brings people to listen. That did help. Course, I never paid no dues or nothing, I just did organizing, so I wasn’t really with them. But that’s what made me go. You know, sometimes you can have a little temper, when you shouldn’t have it.

GEORGE STONEY: Or maybe when you should.

NELL SHADINGER: Yeah. So anyway, it worked, she got off my back, she stayed on me all the time. She called me in that office, and I started beating on that [piston?], I said, (inaudible) worked here, but I don’t have to no more.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Well, so there.

(laughter)

NELL SHADINGER: And I just told her.

GRACE SHADINGER: (inaudible) that’s something else in (inaudible) of that union. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) off of that.

GEORGE STONEY: What else in life? What’s the -- the greatest fun you had with these two?

GRACE SHADINGER: With these two?

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah.

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GRACE SHADINGER: Uh, what the -- (laughter).

NELL SHADINGER: Well, we pretty much --

GRACE SHADINGER: When, now, then, or when?

NELL SHADINGER: Well I’ll tell you about it, a little bit about this.

GRACE SHADINGER: We’re close.

NELL SHADINGER: We’re very close, (inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: -- scrapping, and we come up doing that.

NELL SHADINGER: And if one gets sick or anything, the other one’s there, and we’re right there no matter what, and it don’t have to be sisters, it can be --

FLORENCE SHADINGER: We have our little ups and downs, like everybody. You don’t stay way up here all the time. You got to come down sometimes. You got to come down sometimes.

GRACE SHADINGER: I thought you stayed down all the time.

NELL SHADINGER: (laughter)

GRACE SHADINGER: (inaudible)

NELL SHADINGER: We got (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I’m not going to get you (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: We take the places of -- three women take the places of their 18:00mother, we -- one of them was recently, since Christmas was here had cancer surgery, and Grace brought them here, and me and Florence, we cooked and I got up every morning and come here, and we cooked, we helped Grace out, because Grace couldn’t cook at all.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, we loved every minute doing it, yeah.

NELL SHADINGER: And we loved every minute, and we sit at this table every day at lunch time full of food for seven or eight people besides us. And --

GEORGE STONEY: Now, we’ve got some photographs we want you to look at, (inaudible).

M1: Before we do that George, we’re going to need to readjust (inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

(break in audio)

NELL SHADINGER: Ever. And I would wear it to school, and I never will forget that I had gone to town school that year, you know, uptown, because we went to Mary Street (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). Yeah, Temple Avenue. And one of the little girls come down the foot of the stairs, we had to go upstairs, you know, sixth and seventh grade was upstairs. And she said something, just where did you get that coat? I cried all the way home, because she was making light of my coat. And I never will forget -- and I’ll tell this (inaudible). But when we wore bloomers, you know, like in (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

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GRACE SHADINGER: The dress was shorter than the bloomers, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: My legs was big, and Momma put elastic in the bottom, and I never will forget, there was a bright blue, and I’m trying to pull them up under my dress, and another little girl come sit with me at school, and she -- when I’d get up (inaudible) and start reading, while I was busy reading, she’d ease up my dress, and then everybody in the room would get to snickering, and you know what, that teacher got her -- made her stay after school for two weeks for doing that to me. (laughter) (inaudible) now I just died laughing, because she got into it.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Well we laugh now, it’s just good memories, the memories of not being in the [egg?], and the sweet bread, it’s still, that’s good memories now. It’s (inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: When we got gas in the -- well, when we got the first bathrooms in the village, that was something, we thought we were fantastic. They put in the -- the tub’s still over there, I wish y’all could have that, to get in there and make the pictures, it’s got them legs, and it’s that round tub, 20:00they’re still in the houses over there. They’re not the modern tubs, they --

GRACE SHADINGER: But I loved that tub.

NELL SHADINGER: They put them tubs in there and put a commode in there, we didn’t have a lavatory to wash your hands in the bathroom. (break in video) I think a gas stove, and I put in some heaters, and we thought we was something, because we didn’t have to burn any coal, and we didn’t have to cook on a wood stove.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, we didn’t freeze to death when we went to the bathroom.

NELL SHADINGER: It was so nice, it had a little heater in there, a little gas heater, (inaudible) and it was warm.

GEORGE STONEY: Now I was talking to a big manufacturer last Monday up in uh, Greenville, South Carolina, and I asked him, he was -- the guy’s 90 years old, he said uh, a Spartan Mills, Matthew -- fellow named Matthews, and I said uh, 21:00when did you put in the bathrooms in the houses? And he said it was about 1933, ’32, ’33. And he said, “But you know that most of those people didn’t know what they were for, and they put coal in them.”

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Oh.

NELL SHADINGER: Hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: Where would he get an idea like that?

NELL SHADINGER: I don’t know, but the bathrooms were put at the old mill in about 1945.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Yeah, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) later than that.

GRACE SHADINGER: I lived on (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). I after I married, my son was born there, I guess my son was -- was y’all already living in that house when they put it in?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Mm-hmm.

GRACE SHADINGER: (inaudible) my son was (inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: (inaudible) when they put them in. That was after the war.

GEORGE STONEY: But where would he get an idea like that?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I don’t know what --

GRACE SHADINGER: To put coal in what?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I reckon they probably didn’t keep them going (inaudible). They never take baths, maybe, and they didn’t use it for that. Because they 22:00wasn’t used to getting out of the tub. They got a wash pan, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

GRACE SHADINGER: -- tub?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: You bathed with, you know, a rag and uh, soap and water. You didn’t have a tub.

GRACE SHADINGER: Or a bath, except (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) wash tub.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Stick bath, that’s what you’d take, and uh. So I didn’t take one until Momma made me, and anyway --

GRACE SHADINGER: You didn’t get in the tub. Wash tub.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: No. Oh yeah, we’d do that in the summertime. Yeah, (inaudible) always awake. Momma set up tubs, big galvanized tubs out in the (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). Say what?

HELFAND: How did it feel to move back to that house?

GRACE SHADINGER: How’d it feel to move back? I didn’t -- we didn’t move back (inaudible). It was natural, you know, we didn’t move back.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: But I’m going to tell you about the bath tub. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). And they put (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) in the kitchen, they’ve all been used, we had to scrub them, and -- 23:00and clean them up. They did, I -- I didn’t never get the luxury, while I lived down there, of a sink. I did get to make the electricity and the hydrant, out the back, and that was luxury enough for me. Because --

HELFAND: (inaudible) what were you saying?

GRACE SHADINGER: I don’t know.

HELFAND: You said you were -- you were just -- I -- I asked you how it felt to move back to Murray Street.

NELL SHADINGER: Oh no, no, no, we (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

HELFAND: How’d it feel to move back to [Berry Avenue?]?

GRACE SHADINGER: Just natural, you know, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Just natural, and we were proud that we got to go back, because --

GRACE SHADINGER: You see, I really (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) that place, my friends were there, we did (inaudible) [street?]. Well, [the next street?] up the village, and so my friends were still there, we just naturally went home.

GEORGE STONEY: Now we have some pictures that just, we’re trying to identify some people. You may be able to recognize people. Look in the crowd, OK?

HELFAND: Um, I got this at the Atlanta Historical Society.

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FLORNECE SHADINGER: Oh gosh, I can’t pick it up. Can you see there? Can you see if you -- I don’t -- she can see.

NELL SHADINGER: Now this -- this is at uh, now this is what I looked at, and I was standing up here on this bank right up here. But this is -- this is not anybody that worked -- these are not anybody that worked with us.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Was that Newnan?

NELL SHADINGER: Mm-hmm. Don’t you see the peanut house there, where they used to, you know, carry peanuts to you?

FLORENCESHADINGER: Yeah. I thought this may be (inaudible). What we sat under before we went --

GRACE SHADINGER: Oh, they did put a shed there later.

NELL SHADINGER: Mm-hmm. That’s where they put the peanuts in there, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Five minutes of work time, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

GRACE SHADINGER: This is out of town people.

NELL SHADINGER: Those are all out of town people.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Let’s see if I can see Beth Holloway, she was talking 25:00(inaudible). No I don’t, (inaudible) large person, big boned, and heavy. (inaudible) somebody we know.

GRACE SHADINGER: I don’t think -- I doubt it, (inaudible). That may be the one (inaudible) you know.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: (inaudible) I think, I don’t know what they’re going to do. I was -- well I thought it was mostly men that they hired on.

NELL SHADINGER: No, there was women there. And they -- hmm.

FLORENCE SHADINGER:(inaudible)

NELL SHADINGER: See right here is the gates, right here, and they was up against this gate to start with.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: This was warehouse, and then there were (inaudible) over here.

NELL SHADINGER: Uh-huh, and this is the peanut house there. And right here, up here on this bank --

FLORENCE SHADINGER: (inaudible) down that (inaudible).

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NELL SHADINGER: Yeah, well I was standing up here, so I thought maybe, you know, it might have my picture standing up there, but it didn’t.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: (inaudible) and the side, the walkway at my friend’s house, it’s a two story house, like on [Phil?] Street, (inaudible) boy. Somebody wore a tie, didn’t he?

NELL SHADINGER: He was with a crowd, whatever that crowd was.

HELFAND: Were you frightened?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: No, (inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: And see right here, look here, this is the mill office right here, that’s the side of the mill office, and there’s somebody’s hand out with a watch on.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: It wasn’t me, (inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: They didn’t have things like that back then.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: No. Let’s see.

HELFAND: What was the atmosphere like that day, when you -- where you saw them?

NELL SHADINGER: What, the office?

HELFAND: The atmosphere, could you describe ?

(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I was holding my son up, and he wasn’t -- oh, I don’t know, he wasn’t (inaudible). It was --

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NELL SHADINGER: But it really didn’t bother me, because not that bad to start with, (inaudible). (laughter)

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Oh no, I didn’t think that --

NELL SHADINGER: (inaudible) going to shoot them. And, you know, when you ask them, when they come in (inaudible) going to wash it off.

GRACE SHADINGER: Yeah, I can -- uh, no, (inaudible) I think we talked about the union more than the mill. I thought it was about the ’20s and the ’30s, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). What -- I didn’t know it was supposed to be completely about a union.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: I don’t know any of them.

NELL SHADINGER: That’s not --

FLORENCE SHADINGER: They fix it. Well, I don’t know, it looked pretty happy, didn’t it?

HELFAND: Yeah.

NELL SHADINGER: I don’t -- that don’t look familiar there. That’s somewhere else (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: We didn’t know, that mill was our whole life. Let me see that, let me see that.

GEORGE STONEY: I think that was -- I think that’s all the outsiders who were in the (inaudible).

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Well there wasn’t any out there I knew.

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NELL SHADINGER: That was outsiders that they got.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: (inaudible). They come in and pulled that.

GEORGE STONEY: Here’s -- here they are, (inaudible) first.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: Grace. Goodie, goodie, gumdrop. (inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: We don’t know any of them.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: That’s (inaudible) at Fort Mac.

NELL SHADINGER: They really had somebody else. (inaudible). They must have put pants on them like for some reason or another.

FLORENCE SHADINGER: They didn’t wear pants back then. (inaudible). I just don’t know. I don’t know any of them.

NELL SHADINGER: What is she saying?

FLORENCE SHADINGER: (inaudible) something. (inaudible) Grace don’t hear good. 29:00And I think you talk louder. I mean you don’t hear. (inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: OK. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

NELL SHADINGER: This is not -- those I’m not familiar with, that other one, that first one was really familiar.

GEORGE STONEY: Now let’s (inaudible).