ACTWU Press Confernece

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: (long beep) at the whole conduct of the campaign.

M2: Do you think this will spark other textile plants t-- throughout the South to -- to mount union efforts?

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: We have always said there are literally thousands of workers in textile mills throughout the South that want to have a union. The only question for us is we don't decide when those people get to have a union campaign. They decide that. The reality in this country is, the reality in the Carolinas is, if you want to have a union in a textile mill, you're going to have to put up with a massive onslaught by the company. You're going to have to put your job on the line, you're going to have to fight back, you're going to have to stand up to the supervision, you're going to have to stand up to very expensive, orchestrated campaigns. And unfortunately, that's the reality. And we have -- we tell textile workers every day that if they -- if you want a union, that's what you're going to have to be prepared to stand 00:01:00up to. The Fieldcrest Cannon workers know it. They've been through it now several times. If you want to win, you're going to have to be able to overcome that. It may not be fair, but it is the reality. And yet there are thousands of workers every day who ask us to help them conduct election campaigns in their plants. When we feel that those workers in a particular plant are ready, then we will respond. We don't make that decision. The workers in these plants make that decision.

M3: (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) recourse will these workers have if they're intimidated and they go back to work, next week, or the --

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: They have recourse under the National Labor Relations Act. Threats and intimidation are illegal conduct. We will file charges against this company with the National Labor Relations Board over threats, e-- th-- that are -- that are made, today, tomorrow the next day, next week. And we'll continue to try to make this company understand that people have rights, and that they've got to learn to allow these people to have the rights. They've got to abide by the law. This company is -- is a little bit thickheaded, but we 00:02:00think that they've got the ability to learn. (crowd laughter) (applause)

M4: -- company does not agree to hold another election, what is the earliest date that you could call for another election?

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: The -- we -- we will call -- not the earliest date that we could call. We can call for an election, a new election, tomorrow or the next day, which we will, uh, by filing objections to this election based on their conduct, and asking the National Labor Relations Board to throw this election out and order a new election. We can do that without any time limit, and we will do that in the next few days. (crowd applause)

M5: What's the timetable of that process?

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: That -- that's a c-- that's a court process. And unfortunately, as with any court process, it can be very time consuming. A-- and only -- o-- only the court and the hearing process, uh, can know precisely how long it's going to take. It may take quite a bit of time. That's why 00:03:00we think it's in everyone's interest to see the company respond to the union's challenge, and let's get a decisive result. The people here are entitled to a decisive result. We want one, the company should want one. And that's why they should respond and not leave it up to the possibility of what happens in court and how long it takes. Because, you know, when you get a bunch of lawyers involved in anything.

M6: Are -- are you putting them up against a deadline of any sort? Are you putting them up against a deadline of [any sort?]?

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: No, we -- we -- we expect, frankly, that the company may not accept a -- a quick rerun of the election. We hope sincerely that they do, but we suspect that they don't want to see a decisive result, because I think that the decisive result they would see is a union victory. (crowd applause) If 00:04:00the company -- if the company does not respond, the union is going to file the objections, we're going to litigate the challenge ballots. Each and every one of those 538 ballots. And we're going to litigate the challenges to the election, and have the election set aside. We are totally confident, based on our experience and -- and our legal advice, there is no question of getting this election set aside. That's the easy part. The only question is how long it'll take. And we think it's in everyone's interest to have the company respond to this challenge, and Mr. Fitzgibbons to -- to give these workers what he said they were entitled to, which is a fair election.

M7: How (inaudible) election like this do you proceed with the process of challenging the results, trying to get a new election? Is that something you do every time?

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: No. Most of the time, we do not file objections. Even though many times companies break the law, it's our experience that every time there's an election, that these textile companies break the law, and that we have to tell workers, you've got to learn to overcome the company's illegal conduct in order to win. In the case of the -- of this election, this election 00:05:00is a virtual tie. And that's why we feel objections are -- are -- are required here. Most elections, we do not file objections, even though we legally have that right, and we can sustain them. We generally do not. We did not file objections to the 1985 election year, even though David Murdock and his crowd clearly broke every law they could think of. (crowd agreement) We did not file objections to that election, for the very reason that I said. This election is a virtual tie. It'll take many, many months to resolve the challenged ballots. And we feel the only true resolution is a rerun election. Let's get a decisive result. Let's determine, with the help of the National Labor Relations Board in advance who is eligible to vote and who is not eligible to vote. Let's keep the IEs out of the voting booths, (crowd agreement) let's keep the supervisors (applause) -- let's keep the supervisors out of the voting booth, let the Cannon workers cast their ballots as secret ballots. Let's open up each and every one of them, and let's see who wins this 00:06:00election. (applause)

M4: Can you explain what -- they broke the 24-hour rule.

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: The -- the Labor Act provides that workers are supposed to cast their ballots in what they call "laboratory conditions," free of pressure and fear, and last-minute tactics by either the company or the union. And what the -- what is required is that no employer within the 24 hours before the start of the election can introduce last-minute, uh, attacks on the other side that the union has no opportunity to answer. The union can't initiate last-minute attacks, the company is inside the plant with the supervision, and the access to the workers eight, or in this case, twelve hours a day. Uh, the law says that in the last 24 hours, the company is not to introduce last-minute, uh, attacks on the union that the union has no opportunity to answer or respond 00:07:00to. [And we'll?] explain to our leadership, so they can explain to the other workers, what the company is saying, and why it's a bunch of baloney. The company initiated numerous last-minute tactics, including campaigning on line to vote. (crowd agreement) And pass, and -- and scrolls of -- of -- of, uh -- of bogus, list of strikes that the union supposedly engaged in without the union having any -- any opportunity to answer it. That is a -- a -- a rule that's been in -- in effect for many, many years, and the company clearly is aware of it, and clearly knowingly violated it, because they were pretty desperate to try and win this election.

M4: Would a -- isn't it a fair analogy to say that, uh, union workers were also passing out literature just before workers went into the -- the --

CROWD: No.

M4: I've got a -- a pamphlet.

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: The union passed out a cartoon on election day, which showed a worker and showed the --

M8: [Your choice?].

F1: Amen, that's right.

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: -- two roads -- two roads that that worker could travel down. It was passed out for the last two days.

M4: Wasn't that campaign literature, though? I mean, pro-union?

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: Two days before. It was started being passed out on -- on --

M4: Yesterday after-- yesterday evening at seven o'clock, they were passing that out at -- at each of the gates.

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: It went out -- it went out on Wednesday, on -- uh, on Wednesday morning.

M4: So as long as it was out two days earlier --

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: Right.

M4: -- it's OK to do it last minute?

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: The company's -- the company's conduct was, in the last minute as people went to the polls, the union had no opportunity to answer.

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M4: But as long as that -- that activity began two days beforehand, it -- it was OK? So --

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: Then the company had an opportunity to answer the crossroads, and the company had an opportunity to tell the workers they should down the crossroads to layoffs and stretch-outs. And I guess they told them that. I don't know. (crowd chatter) Other questions.

F2: Sure was, when they going to close?

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M4: Um, when you say you're going to challenge the 538 ballots, they said they're sealed ballots, how --

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: Not challenge them. We will litigate each and every one 00:09:00of them. That means that the union will -- the -- the union and the company will have to go before the labor board and argue which of these 538 people are eligible to vote, and who is not.

M4: What made -- what made that figure -- an arbitrary figure? I mean, what -- what gave you the evidence or the, uh --

LAURIE RUSHMEYER: We saw the actual ballots.

ACTWU REPRESENTATIVE: Some people were, uh, challenged by the labor board. Some people were challenged by the company, and some people were challenged by the union, based on, I guess, the various parties' knowledge of -- of -- of -- of who the voter was. The, uh, company left some people who were workers off the list. They were challenged by the labor board. Those ballots should be counted. Those are eligible voters. That's all going to have to be determined in litigation. We will argue the position -- our position on each and every individual voter. And once the labor board makes a decision, then they will open the ballots one by one. That's what makes that process of deciding the results of these election such a lengthy process. And that's why 00:10:00we feel the fair thing to do, the right thing to do, is let's determine who's eligible, and let's have another election quickly, and let's get a decisive result. Because this process that the law provides is the only one available to either party, the company or the union, is a very lengthy process.

F3: I want to thank everybody for coming here today.

M9: We'll win!

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M10: What do we want?

CROWD: Union!

M10: Ti-- what time is it?

CROWD: Union time!

M10: What time is it?

CROWD: Union time!

M10: [That's right?]. (applause)

F3: And they also scared [of them?] strikes, that the mill will go on strike.

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M11: We gon' win!

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F_: Oh, you want? [You trying to get?] --

M12: Hmm? You can have that.

F_: You want -- thanks.

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CREW: Rolling and sound.

STONEY: Do you have a level?

CREW: Uh, nothing. Just talk for --

M13: Need me to talk a little bit?

CREW: Yeah.

M13: Beautiful day today, isn't it? Even though it's cloudy, it's cool. That's what we need. And I'm hoarse today, of course, from all the shouting yesterday, so -- talking nonstop for a week, you tend to get hoarse.

CREW: All right, beautiful. (inaudible) speed.

STONEY: OK. All right. Uh, tell us about your feelings about the morning.

M13: About the morning? At this point in time -- well, at this point in time, after the election last night, um, everybody's upbeat. I'm upbeat. I'm not -- this -- you know, this is not a defeat in any way. Uh, the people -- the people are pumped up, and when we started this campaign, we was -- basically, we was at the bottom of the hill. And now we've charged the hill, and now we're all at the top of the hill, and -- and we're going to fight for even ground at that point. Uh, because the -- the odds are stacked against you so much when you start a campaign like this. And right now, we're all at -- equal. We're standing at the top of the hill, and we're going to -- we're going to fight them over the top.

CREW: Excuse me, uh, I'm getting -- it's a little distorted. I don't know if my battery is --

STONEY: OK. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)

CREW: Check one two.

CREW: [Pinning?].

CREW: Rolling again.

STONEY: All right, sir. Uh, could you talk about what I was just mentioning a little while ago?

M13: The -- the history -- OK.

STONEY: Yeah.

M13: Well, uh, the history here is one of union at one time, and then a -- a period where it's, uh, antiunion atmosphere. Uh, I mean, it's a company town. The -- the company owned the houses, they owned the streets, the -- the buildings, the businesses, you know? They -- they owned basically everything, and they -- uh, when -- when a company owns a town like that, they think they own the people, and they control the flow of information. And at this point, uh, with the history if i-- it's -- uh, what is the -- oh.

STONEY: Uh, the thing that -- I've been looking at a lot of pictures of -- of the early '30s.

M13: Mm-hmm.

STONEY: And the thing that surprises me, and, you know, [just looking that crowd as?] against the pictures we have of 30 --

M13: Right.

STONEY: -- then they were when you had a --

M13: Oh, yes. OK.

STONEY: -- an activity. It was mostly men --

M13: Right.

STONEY: All white. So what (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)?

M13: Well, now it's -- now it's a different world entirely. I mean, i-- uh, it's mostly women. And -- and men, black and white. It has nothing to do with -- with -- with, uh, gender or race or nationality even. I mean, you -- you -- you have people, uh -- it's just o-- the one common goal is standing together to -- to join in a union to make changes for their self, in the workplace and the -- uh, and -- and the women -- the women are out front, you know? They -- they're not backwards, they're not held behind or -- or just doing the paperwork or -- or just -- just copying. They're on the gates. You know, they're at the houses, they're talking, they're leafletting. And, I mean, it's the way it ought to be, because --

STONEY: Uh, you just say that you grew up -- were born and brought up in the South.

M13: Right.

STONEY: And tell about the changes you've seen in that.

M13: Well, I was -- uh, you know, I'm from Virginia, first off. Uh, Fieldale, uh, Martinsville, Virginia area. And, uh, it's a textile area in my area. It's all -- you have -- you have several large textile firms. And it was 00:15:00what's called a company town at one time. And I started in -- in the -- in a dye house in the, uh, textile mill when I was 16. Uh, going to school and -- and working. And nobody talked, uh, about standing up for anything. I mean, the union just was not a word that you heard. And y-- you had a -- I mean, anybody even whispered "union," they -- they was gone. You know, they -- they -- they were fired. And -- and that has changed. You know, people aren't afraid to talk about it now at least. Uh -- uh, they will say what they think, you know, about the union. Uh, I mean, they might -- might not say -- take the supervisor on one-on-one, but they will talk about it. And there's been a lot of changes. I mean, they --

STONEY: What -- what about race?

M13: Uh, race, you know, uh, race has changed a lot i-- in every aspect of our society. But especially in union. Uh, because, you know, they're working together for the common interest. Everybody knows that if you're a worker, black and white, uh, no matter what you feel at home now, when you're in a 00:16:00workplace working for a union and you're struggling to organize, e-- everybody knows that -- that they have the common bond of being a worker. And when you're a worker, whether you're black, white, uh, male or female, the interest is the same. That's -- that's to get a fair wage for your labor and decent working conditions. And it doesn't matter what -- what color you are. I mean, it just doesn't matter.

STONEY: How do you think you got over that? Because that's one of the biggest hurdles. I just heard it on the gates yesterday, some -- some of the people are coming out with, uh, "vote no" on the shirt, was saying, well, it's -- uh, most of the union is -- is -- is black, [and those Mexicans?].

M13: Right.

STONEY: How do you get [over that?]?

M13: Uh, well, first off, you just -- you -- you appeal to the common sense to start with. Uh, I don't know how you get over it, if we'll ever get over it 100%. You know, we won't. But, uh, you deal -- you deal with a common interest. You -- you -- you -- you, uh, express, or you talk to people about 00:17:00what -- you know, y-- if you want to be separate, you can be separate, but you're not going to get anywhere. You know, if you want -- want to get anywhere, you've got to put that aside. And people know that. I mean, you know, people nowadays, no matter what they feel somewhere else, but when they're -- when they're fighting for a union, they know they've got to pull together. And that -- that works into their -- their -- their daily lives after work, too. Because once you work with each other, you know, your fear of each other will dissolve. And I think that's where it's -- where it's going, working together, people -- blacks and whites, working together, male and female to -- for the common interest. And once you -- once you get together like that over anything, and you learn each other and talk to each other, your -- your fear of each other dissolve, and you become brothers and sisters.

STONEY: How has that affected your union?

M13: Uh, what's -- i-- it's affected --

STONEY: I'm speaking of your local.

M13: Right. My local. Well, in my local, we are -- um, our president i-- is black, I-- I'm the vice president, I'm white. Um, and we have a -- a very good mixture of black and white. We get along good. We -- we -- we -- we have dinners together. I mean, we don't just do it there. You know, we -- we 00:18:00socialize together. And I don't -- it was just starting to work together, s-- and then we -- we worked together, and then we socialized together, and now we're all friends. I mean, we all knew we had the common interest, but, uh, that common interest is what pulled us together to start with. And n-- and now we're friends. I mean, it just never ha-- comes into it anymore with us.

STONEY: Now, I believe you grew -- grew up in a textile family, didn't you?

M13: Right, textile family. My -- my mother and father both were -- were textile workers, so I grew up, uh, right at the company gate, basically. I mean, right -- right there. I mean, when I got up in the morning and went to school, there was the -- the textile, the -- the mill. I mean, it was just there. I mean, I -- I never got away from it.

STONEY: Did they ever talk about, uh, (inaudible) organizing before your parents?

M13: No, I'm -- they have no history of a union in -- in my -- my family. Uh -- uh, it was just never mentioned. And if it was, it was not mentioned in a good light that I can remember. And y-- you know, you just -- it was just the -- the time. I mean, you know, it was -- they didn't -- they didn't know 00:19:00what a union stood for. And that's -- that was their biggest, uh, the p-- barrier to them. You know, they just didn't know, and, uh, what it was.

STONEY: How do you handle that personally?

M13: That's a good question. Uh, I -- I just deal with what I -- what I believe.

STONEY: (inaudible) But this is -- this is almost the heart of it. I know I -- as a southerner, I've had to do the same thing. There's just certain things --

M13: Right.

STONEY: -- I just don't talk with my sister about.

M13: Right.

STONEY: So I just want to get that out --

M13: Right, you just don't -- you just don't talk about it. I mean, if -- uh, you know, I have brothers and sisters that are -- that, uh, now, since I've become active in the union and -- and in organizing, that I have influenced, and they -- they see it, and th-- they -- they have a different view on unions because they were never exposed to it, just like I wasn't growing up. I mean, I -- I lived outside the gate. Nobody ever talked about the union. The union -- uh, there was never an organizing attempt at that mill that I remember when I was growing up, and there was just no -- no history of it, no, 00:20:00uh, information on it. You know, so you don't know. What -- what you don't -- what you don't learn about or -- or have any exposure to, you just don't know anything about until you're exposed to it. And now they, they're not antiunion at all. You know, they're -- they're -- they're pro-union. Uh, but, uh, as far as the area, the area is still not a union area. We have unions now, and we have a textile, uh, a worker's union ACTWU in the area. But the majority of textile workers in the area are not -- not union, and they still do not understand.

STONEY: Now, (inaudible) question, as soon as this fella moves.

M13: Yeah.

STONEY: Uh, wait until the [car goes through?]. (inaudible) (laughter) She, uh, is, uh -- uh, are we clear?

CREW: We're clear.

STONEY: OK. Uh, we're talking to a fella last night --

M13: Mm-hmm.

STONEY: -- who was born and raised here.

M13: Mm-hmm.

STONEY: He moved north, uh, 35. He was a member of a union all his life. He was a construction worker. He retires, comes back here, and he said, "Well, George, in this town, it just won't work because Southern textile workers just are not right for unions." (laughter) What do you say about that?

M13: I say that's crazy. Yeah.

STONEY: Well, just tell me why -- what I said.

M13: Yeah. Well, you know, people who say that the South isn't right for unions, or the Southerners, uh, just won't stick together, they just don't understand the -- tha-- that's bull. I mean, the Southerners are just like workers anywhere. Once they understand, I mean, what a union is, and what it can mean in their lives, they're going to go for it just like anybody -- any other worker anywhere in the world would. Uh, no matter where they're from, what nationality, here, North, East. Because s-- especially workers in the South. Uh, at this point in time, they're losing so much ground. They're losing wages, workload has doubled. I mean, so many things is changing in their work life, and most of it is -- is -- is working against them. And, you know, 00:22:00you can be stepped on so much that, sooner or later, you -- anything -- you're going to try anything for a change. Uh, you know, a-- whether you understand it or not, you're going to say, "Well, it might work. Let's try." And I think this point in time, Southerners have been so stepped on that all we have to do is educate them to what a union means in their lives, and what it can mean to their children. I mean, not just to work life, but to family life, and to health and safety that -- I mean, Southerners aren't stupid. I mean, b-- co-- contrary to what -- what -- what some people believe, just because we talk a little strange, uh, we're not stupid people. Uh -- uh, we're workers, and we're not afraid. You know, we're not afraid o-- of the companies. We just need to be educated. Education is the key. And overcoming the -- the control of the media that some companies, they exercise in the areas like this one. You know, uh, the -- the -- the papers and all sometime aren't necessarily -- you know, they claim to be independent, but when you're in a company town that 00:23:00owns maybe the building you're in and the rent, you know, you -- and they're -- the advertisement, you say what the company wants you to say. And we've got to overcome that, you know, through our own media efforts, our own, uh, educational system, be it papers or film or whatever. That's the key, and, to me.

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M13: Right.

HELFAND: [Roy?], I -- I know that you've seen these workers go through a transformation of sorts, right?

M13: Right.

HELFAND: I mean, they really have done something here --

M13: Right.

HELFAND: -- in the last 10 years. Can you talk about that? As an organizer, what you've seen, and how proud -- you know, how proud you are, and what people (inaudible) you --

M13: All right.

HELFAND: -- and really challenge a lot of this, [what's in?] stereotypes --

M13: Right. Right.

HELFAND: -- that you are -- you've just been trying to counter?

M13: Well, the -- I've been here, for, uh, in this town, on this organ-- this organizing drive with the Cannon Mills, Fieldcrest Cannon Mills, uh, for the last nine or ten weeks. Uh, I think it's ten weeks. And when we first -- first got here, people -- people knew what it was about at this point. 00:24:00Everybody was fed up with the company. And, um, you know, you -- you go -- it's like a rollercoaster ride. When you -- when something goes on ten weeks, you're up and down. And, uh, people were ready for the union. They're still ready for the union. The -- the company, um, you know, the odds were stacked against the workers from the start. It's always stacked against the workers. We know that. All the S-- all Southern workers know that. But we overcome that, through -- through -- to -- to the point that we're on a level ground with them now. We started at the bottom of the hill here, which means the company was at the top of the hill with the fence. And we started at the bottom of the ground, educating, talking to. And the workers did it here. You know, the organizers -- even though I'm an organizer, and I would love to say, uh, the organizers did it. You know, it was through our efforts, our a-- our -- our talking to them that inspired the people to stand up, but they were inspired before we got here. They were fed up. They knew, at this point, at -- at that point in their life, that, uh, nothing was getting better. They was going 00:25:00backwards from what they had gained just a few years ago, you know, what they had. And they were ready to -- to -- to, uh, talk union. And, um, they talked union. And now the election, you know, we had the election, uh, yesterday, and, uh, it was basically a -- a 50/50 draw at this point. And -- which means we all work -- work harder, you know? They work harder, we work harder.

STONEY: One more question. We've been looking at a lot of the footage of the earlier attempts here, particularly in '34.

M13: Right.

STONEY: And it's all violence.

M13: Right.

STONEY: I have been here for several days now. I haven't even seen a beer bottle around here.

M13: Right, this --

STONEY: How have you managed that kind of discipline? Could you talk about the discipline?

M13: Well, the discipline to keep -- I mean, you get angry. You get so angry at times, uh, to -- you know, at the company, at workers who just don't understand who -- who slam the door in your face. You know, uh, but the -- the key -- you have to be polite at all times. You don't let your -- your 00:26:00emotions run away with -- you got to remember that if -- if you get angry with somebody, and they feel that anger, you lose them immediately what -- no matter what you got to say. So you -- you just keep yourself in control. You -- you just -- first off, uh, I mean, you got to look at it from their perspective. I mean, here you are, you know, organizing, knocking on somebody's door, or talking to them, and they don't know what a union person is. The company's been telling them we're violent people, uh, we're here just to stir up trouble. Uh, to -- we all got baseball bats in our car, just willing to jump on at nonunion people. Uh, so, you know, they -- they see us when we knock on the door from that perspective. So we have -- we have to be the exact opposite of that. We have to talk to them and smile to them, and keep our self under control, because this is what we believe. You know, I believe in this with all my heart, that people, that workers have to organize here, they need a union. And if I let myself get angry at the very people I'm trying to help, there's -- I -- I can't get my foot in the door. They're not going to listen to me any way, shape, or form. I mean, I'm just somebody -- they're going to slam 00:27:00the door and -- and say go, go. You know, "Get off my property."

CREW: (inaudible)

M13: OK?

STONEY: (inaudible) OK?

HELFAND: Yeah. Do you want to -- and I know this has been a very emotional time.

M13: Right.

HELFAND: I know this has been a very emotional time. And I know you're probably feeling a lot of things. Is there something you want to say, that you want to say to these workers (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)?

M13: I just want to say to these workers who are looking at the papers this morning, the media saying, uh, the union loses, apparently loses.

HELFAND: One sec. This is real noisy. OK, go.

M13: You know, the media saying the union's --

HELFAND: Start again. What do you want --

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CREW: Rolling.

M13: I just want to say to these workers here in -- in Kannapolis, Concord, and Salisbury, that at this point in their lives, I mean, it's -- it's historic. We've battled this company who -- w-- the odds were totally against the workers, against the drive itself to have a union. And -- and to take heart. They've done a great job. They did it. The workers did it by standing up and not being afraid. And I just want to tell them that they can have a union. They've got u-- they've got a union. Three thousand people vote -- for a -- 00:28:00for a union, that's a union. It's just -- it's just not -- it has to go through the process, be legitimized. You know? The -- it has to be recognized. They have to recognize their self as a union, and they're doing that here. The -- you know, this union hall's been full all morning. And you don't have a union hall full of workers that don't think they're union. When they're here, they know they're union. And just take heart. A-- and nothing worthwhile in life is easy. Y-- you have to -- you have to fight for it. And the people here have fought hard, and they've won a great victory, and very shortly, they're going to be recognized as a union.

CREW: Great.

HELFAND: Thank you.

M13: OK.

CREW: Yep.

CREW: This is b-roll of chainsaws.

GEORGE: Oh, they stopped.

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