Leonard and Mattie Knight Interview 2

 JAMIE STONEY: [We'll get you?] as soon as I finish (inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: Just turn it around.

JAMIE STONEY: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: [Say?] --

JUDITH HELFAND: When Roosevelt came in, that's when we started living.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: And we worked less hours in this -- and then you brought up the part about that people started to feel like they could accomplish something.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: And that you had a future.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: Now, those are words that you used --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: -- not mine.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: Take those words and I'm gonna say, "Tell me about Roosevelt," and I want you to start again. And, Mattie, you -- start right in with him, because I know you were feeling a lot of those things, too.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Well, [back then?], yes, I -- now, that thing were, were, were --

MATTIE KNIGHT: Now that --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- [recorders most talking?] just like we was --

MATTIE KNIGHT: I know, but that's when we bought our first homes, at [Trecamen?].

JAMIE STONEY: OK, we can [hold up?], we can do that, too.

HELFAND: OK, yeah. Now, Roosevelt started in -- Roosevelt came in and I want to hear about Roosevelt and what he did for you.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Are you ready now?

HELFAND: Yes.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Well, um, now, when he come in, you're talking about when, uh, we cut hours, 55 hours out --

MATTIE KNIGHT: To 40.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- uh, now, now --

HELFAND: When Roosevelt came. Now, you know what you told -- you said, "We are Roosevelt people."

LEONARD KNIGHT: Uh, yeah, right. Uh, right. Now --

HELFAND: Start with that.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah. Well, now, when Roosevelt come in, after we got our raise in pay our -- well, at least our family, we know -- and our personal experience was that when he come in, that was the first time me and momma ever felt like that we had had anything, or was gonna have anything. Well, we was making enough money that we could live good, we had enough mon-- we -- money we could go to the show. We even had enough -- saved enough money that we bought our 00:02:00first home with. And, uh, I don't know, you just, uh, when all of a sudden you go from a low paying renter to a good paying homeowner, then you're really living. You've really accomplished something, you -- and you've got something to look forward to; you don't, uh, you don't just, uh, set back and wonder, "Well, wonder what's gonna happen tomorrow," or, "Can we afford this? Can we afford that?" Well, uh, I don't know, we just, uh, you just lived so much better under him; you just, um, I don't know, some-- I'm -- I can't hardly explain it to you. It's just, uh --

MATTIE KNIGHT: See, we had my mother and, uh, my brother and sister to keep up, me and him being --

GEORGE STONEY: OK, OK, oh --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: OK.

GEORGE STONEY: OK, now --

JAMIE STONEY: OK.

HELFAND: Back when Roosevelt came in?

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

GEORGE STONEY: You had people in your house?

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Well, we had my mother and my --

HELFAND: You need to start with back -- back --

MATTIE KNIGHT: -- brother and my sister to keep up.

GEORGE STONEY: Start back then.

HELFAND: I cut you off. Back then.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Back then, I said we had my brother and sister and my mother to keep up. 'Cause we kept them up, well, for years; my mother lived with us even after we bought our first home.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Well, now --

MATTIE KNIGHT: 'Cause there wasn't no Social Security or nothing back then, and when my daddy died, she was left with nothing.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Now, she said, uh, she said, uh, she was left with nothing, but, they did have their home.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Paid for, but --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Mr. [Pratz?], her daddy, had bought and paid for the home. When we got married, I moved in the house with them. That gave the-- I gave Grandma 00:04:00Pratz the money that we both made to run the house.

MATTIE KNIGHT: We just give her our pay days and she paid everything and saved money; anytime we needed any money she lend it to us, we just turned it over to her.

LEONARD KNIGHT: See, there -- there was three small children, uh, well, I say small, from, uh, six to twelve --

MATTIE KNIGHT: The two, [Grace?] --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- years old. And, uh, there was two boys and a girl; well, with both, uh -- me and Momma both working, with our wages, was then we had enough, uh -- we had enough that we could all live fairly good. And, when the mill shut down -- not like you got welfare today -- when the mill shut down, Roosevelt had this program that you could, uh, go to, and you got a work permit, you worked on the roads, or you worked cleaning out ditches, you worked doing 00:05:00anything cleaning up the city. You worked, uh, eight hours a day, a truck brought you back in and he punched your slip. Then, you took that slip, you went to the storeroom, and they gave you groceries. You got, uh, I believe it was two dollars a day --

MATTIE KNIGHT: I don't remember (inaudible) --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- don't remember what it was. But, anyway, I got a slip, Ms. Pratz, her mother, got a slip, and one of the boys got a slip. So, uh, the boys was too young to work, so I worked three days --

MATTIE KNIGHT: He worked all the slips.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- I worked all of the s-- I'd work one day, go get a bag of groceries, [that we'd eat?] the next day. Then, I'd work another day, go get another bag of groceries; well, I don't -- we lived good. We di-- you 00:06:00know, we lived a whole lot better than -- I believe we lived a whole lot better than a lot of people did. Uh, uh, I don't know, uh, had just, uh, I -- that's one of those reasons I get mad at so much of this here, uh, charity thing, you know --

MATTIE KNIGHT: Welfare --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- welfare, they give -- they give too much for too little, and that's, uh -- at that time, was when, -- was me working them three slips, now, and I would take odd jobs, any job I could get; if, uh, if somebody had a -- a garden to plow, or if they had a fence row to be cleaned, I'm talking about people out, uh, down on [Mill Road Park?], anywhere you could walk -- within walking distance -- you could go -- people are farmers that have fence rows that need to clean. You take a briar blade (inaudible; break in video) -- at least I think we did. Just --

HELFAND: Yeah, can I [just?] ask a question? Now, you -- can we (inaudible) -- There's only one [apoole?]?

MATTIE KNIGHT: Only one in Cherokee.

LEONARD KNIGHT: (inaudible) -- I -- I never heard tell of another living Cherokee.

MATTIE KNIGHT: (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) --

LEONARD KNIGHT: But me and my brother --

MATTIE KNIGHT: -- everybody worked and I never heard tell of it or nothing.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- got two brothers worked there for forty years, and they never said nothing 'bout it. Now, me and Momma left here, and uh --

MATTIE KNIGHT: We left here in '46.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- but, uh, up, uh, from that time to '46, there was no strike.

HELFAND: OK, well, the strike I'm thinking of was in --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Was at Brookside.

HELFAND: There was a big one in '34 that was all over the entire textile industry, nationally.

LEONARD KNIGHT: (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

MATTIE KNIGHT: It wasn't at Cherokee, though.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Definitely, wasn't [there?]. Well, I know what you're talking 'bout. There's a lot of mills come out, but the Cherokee never did shut down (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).

MATTIE KNIGHT: They told us that the mills in North -- um, in Alabama, did, and we left, and, uh, drove there and they wasn't even [left?].

LEONARD KNIGHT: Now, the union people -- uh, let me tell you how --

MATTIE KNIGHT: They -- they'd get up [and they just left?].

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- 00:08:00conniving they were. The union people come right here in this town, was talking about Brookside, and I knew [talked to?] Cherokee, said that all of the mills: [Kannapolis?], and, uh, uh --

MATTIE KNIGHT: We went to [Anniston?], North Caroli-- uh, Alabama, and they went --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- down in Alabama, all of the mills were striking. Me and Momma at that time, we just took it on ourself, we went to North Carolina --

MATTIE KNIGHT: And we went to --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- and there was nobody striking in North Carolina. We went to Alabama, Anniston, Alabama, nobody was striking. They died, and even here [deadly?]. An old [Pollack?], that was the man's name, uh, run the union, he was here telling these people that all of these other mills was gonna strike in support of them, you know, to make the company come up to their --

MATTIE KNIGHT: Now, that was in --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- [they'd had made a request?], I'd call it a demand, in other words, make the company co-- come up to their conditions, in a contract; but, no-- had never affect-- not Cherokee. No, don't let nobody tell you that. Cherokee never struck. They never did strike. Now, I do know that Brookside, uh, I don't know it for a fact, but, uh --

MATTIE KNIGHT: They come out twice to [Appalachian Knit Mill?], of course, as in, uh, [GLU?], they come out twice.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- and, they [was in the?] GLU.

MATTIE KNIGHT: IGLU.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, the International Garment Workers.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Yeah. They come out --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Now, they did come out, but I don't think they was out very long.

MATTIE KNIGHT: We wasn't working at either of the mills when they come out.

LEONARD KNIGHT: We wasn't -- we wasn't affected, in our family, we wasn't -- didn't affect us at all.

MATTIE KNIGHT: [Elmer's?] the only one --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

MATTIE KNIGHT: -- his twin brother's working at Appalachian when they come out.

LEONARD KNIGHT: That's when my brother was working at the Appalachian at that 00:10:00time, and uh, uh, didn't he live over on Western Avenue?

MATTIE KNIGHT: I don't know where he lived, now, [no, he's living with us?].

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, (inaudible) yeah, uh, yeah, I do remember, uh, the Appalachian come out; because my twin brother, he come out, and -- but, it didn't bother him, because he lived with us, anyhow.

MATTIE KNIGHT: He didn't come out; they closed down, shut down.

JAMIE STONEY: (inaudible)

HELFAND: (inaudible) OK, can you stop?

MATTIE KNIGHT: That's when you first got your job at Cherokee.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I worked at Cherokee Mill, that's right.

HELFAND: OK, now, in one story, OK, I want -- I want to figure out when this Beedo Man came, and my –

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MATTIE KNIGHT: You worked eight hours, but they -- uh, that Beedo old man was trying to make you -- make as much in those eight hours as you was running in ten and a half hours, and it was impossible.

LEONARD KNIGHT: He wanted as much production in eight as you was making in ten. Yeah, that --

MATTIE KNIGHT: 'Cause you got paid for piece work. And, he is wanting more out of you; the same amount as you was making in ten and a half.

LEONARD KNIGHT: See, where -- where we were, working by the hour, then, when the Beedo System come in, [on this?] -- the doffers on the spinning frame, were paid by the pound of yarn that they doffed off of the spinning frames. She was paid by the pound of the yarn that you wound from the bobbins onto the clothes. We -- it was like piece work, you know, and he was trying to, uh, well, maybe he isn't, or he was trying to help us, uh, so we'd make more money, but, uh --

MATTIE KNIGHT: You -- you couldn't.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, you can only do so much. Human [being?] can only do so 00:12:00much, you can't tie a gear up and make him go no more, all he -- all he can do is what he physically is able to do, and, uh, don't matter how you push him, you can't -- he can't go above his limit, if he does he break down and you can't fix him.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Well, on the winders, we was always paid -- we was on production work, anyway. And, all we run over production, we got extra pay for that, and I always made a bonus every day, because I run over production, and it wasn't no way that I could run that amount in the eight hours that I did in ten hou-- and a half.

LEONARD KNIGHT: You know, this'll sound, uh, kind of like it's bragging, or something.

MATTIE KNIGHT: That was cutting your wages because you couldn't make that bonus, you know, when he is wanting you to run as much in ten and a half hours.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, well, I say -- like I said, it was to-- it was tou-- uh, I've been talking like I was bragging, but, when they was paying by production by the pound -- now, when you went over production, they had a board in there, 00:13:00whichever winder made the most, they put their name up. You know, she stayed on that board for time and time again, I would say two-thirds of the time she was the top lady up there.

MATTIE KNIGHT: I was tops at Cherokee two years, weaving.

LEONARD KNIGHT: And making (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) --

MATTIE KNIGHT: They had your name wrote 'cross -- all way across -- and I always run that just as much as I could get out of it since I got paid more, more you'd run, more you made, so --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- yeah, so I said the Beedo System didn't, uh --

MATTIE KNIGHT: It didn't hurt me or help me.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- outside of -- outside of pushing us while, you know, somebody's timing you, we was doing all we could, anyhow. Uh, I'm [feeling?] that was one thing that irritated us so much --

MATTIE KNIGHT: That's the reason we went to Pennsylvania. They had, uh, fixed 00:14:00one floor -- they had four weave shops -- they fixed one floor for all Southern workers. 'Cause, those in Philadel-- that -- just as long as they could run and make base wages, that's all they cared, and they didn't -- they [could?] go outside and go to the beer joint, and anything, and leave their job stopped. Well, all of a sudden, we stayed in, we got paid by the pick, and we run our job. Well, they had to put one weave shop for all of the Southern people, called Southern [Scroud?], 'cause we was making more'n they were.

LEONARD KNIGHT: (laughs) Yeah, they called us all greedy, they called us greedy because we run the -- run the machines and the more -- the more cloth we made, the more money we made. And the -- but now, this time, we jumped way ahead again, but uh, we get back to '32 now, we was talking 'bout, now, in '32, well, after we went on the 40 hours --

GEORGE STONEY: That was in '32?

MATTIE KNIGHT: It was '34.

HELFAND: Thirty-four.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- a-- after we went --

HELFAND: Thirty-three, Mr.KNIGHT.

LEONARD KNIGHT: (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) -- In the early '30s, that way would be great --

HELFAND: I'll tell ya, '33.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- uh, so, in the early '30s when they come on --

HELFAND: When what come on? Start again. You -- the 40 hours come on...

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, yeah.

JAMIE STONEY: Thirty-three.

HELFAND: OK. In '33, repeat -- in '33.

LEONARD KNIGHT: When -- yeah, when they changed the hours they worked, when we stopped working 55 and went to working 40 hours a week, 8 hours a day, then, like I said, that's when we sorta started living, because, we had a little extra time to enjoy ourself, we had a little extra time to visit with friends, we had a little extra time to work in the garden, if we had s-- fortunate enough to have a garden; and, uh, I don't know, you just, uh -- instead of being set 00:16:00down, and just worked 55 hours a week, which takes up most all of your time, you cut that off to 40 hours, that gives you fifteen hours, which is another great big day during the week, that you can spend in recreation. Now, like me and Momma, we just, uh, we could work and get our eight hours in, we could go over to [North Town?], fish awhile. If you worked ten hours and a half, no way in hell you could do that, you just, uh, you'd go home and you'd do your washing, you're cleaning, you're cooking, you'd go to bed. You'd be so tired you -- you had no time for recreation.

HELFAND: Now, some people have told me that after -- during the eight hours they couldn't take any breaks, and they were exhausted.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Well, now, uh, that'd be true, too, anyway, but, uh now --

HELFAND: What would be true? Can you talk about that?

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- you're talking about breaks, no -- now that's -- that is all wrong.

MATTIE KNIGHT: If you run your job, and keep it in good shape, you -- you had breaks.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Any -- any person --

MATTIE KNIGHT: I run a job in Sep-- in the winter half the time -- it's just you had to be a good worker, and, um, keep your job in good shape. Was a lot of people didn't try to run their job.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Let me explain that to you. A weaver has so many looms to run, as long as all of her -- let's say she's got 20 looms to run -- as long as all of those looms are running and producing, I don't care what the weaver does, he can't do more, not -- his -- his job is running full production. Now, she's been able to run her job, she go to the restroom anytime she wanted to --

MATTIE KNIGHT: I used to go [an' help?] my sister all the time --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- and, uh, now -- now, that was wrong, when peop-- when you -- 00:18:00when people tell you that they have no -- if people could not run their job, you know, and make it produce, of course --

MATTIE KNIGHT: Well, it --

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- you didn't have no time.

MATTIE KNIGHT: -- well, it on the warp. If the -- lot of 'em were [in to break out?] they'd taken cross the thread over from -- no, the salvage, or [rent?], then, when that end run up it met up in there. And, long as you kept your ends and all straight in, they was no loose ends running to -- messing up, and your job run good.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Loose ends is called [natters?], when one thread breaks --

MATTIE KNIGHT: Then, when it run back up, no, it made a bad place in the cloth that you didn't get --

LEONARD KNIGHT: It makes a [section?] in the cloth, and some -- some of them fella-- some of them way weavers --

MATTIE KNIGHT: And, they'd stop the loom off.

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LEONARD KNIGHT: -- instead of, what he could do, you want me to go back to when I got mad and quit Appalachian.

HELFAND: But, I also want to understand when this occurred; that this occurred after the NRA came in, after the Blue Eagle came in --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Oh, right, yeah.

HELFAND: -- OK, and I want to know who brought this Beedo Man.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Well, I don't know who brought him, now, I can't tell you that.

MATTIE KNIGHT: They never would tell nobody who brought him in there.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Uh, uh, all I know, is one day we went in to work and there he was, I don't know where he come from, um, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) --

MATTIE KNIGHT: He had a [superintendent?], said that he didn't bring him in, we never did find out who brought him in there.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Now, now, uh, our boss, [Ed Edmondson?], the spinning and winding boss, he said that, uh, he had nothing to do with it, he didn't know nothing about him, that they was just in there trying -- what they were trying to do, they were trying to take the period of eight hours and build it up to where we could make as much production, produce as much yarn in the eight hours, 00:20:00as we had in the ten hours and a half.

HELFAND: Do you think the company brought the Beedo Man in?

LEONARD KNIGHT: I don't, uh, now, as far as the company's concerned --

MATTIE KNIGHT: They never would tell nobody.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- we, as far as I'm concerned, and Momma, we were never told nothing except they were in there to teach us how to run our job to get the most production out of it.

HELFAND: And, what do you --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Uh --

HELFAND: -- and you got mad, Mr. L KNIGHT, right?

LEONARD KNIGHT: Oh yeah, well --

HELFAND: And you told me last w-- last week --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, yeah.

HELFAND: -- that you got mad enough to quit.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Now, j--

HELFAND: So, can you, in a st-- in a compact story --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: -- again, say they brought, you know, in '33 they brought in the eight hours, they brought in the Beedo Man --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah.

HELFAND: -- "I got so mad,"

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, uh --

HELFAND: OK.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Uh, uh, now --

HELFAND: Look at the --

LEONARD KNIGHT: When, uh --

MATTIE KNIGHT: (inaudible)

LEONARD KNIGHT: When, uh, when the Appalachian, well, when we went on the eight 00:21:00hours, and, uh, they, uh, you -- you've lost me a little, some -- (inaudible) --

HELFAND: OK, I'll star-- again. "When we went on the eight hours at the Appalachian Mill in '33 --"

LEONARD KNIGHT: Yeah, right.

HELFAND: OK, start from there.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Now, when went on the eight hours, hours working at the Appalachian Mill, then, I don't know, I don't know if the company brought him in, I don't know who brought him in, but there was, uh, some folks come in, Beedo people, they were to teach quality control and to teach us how to get more out of the machines, to teach us how to produce more yarn, or as much in eight hours as if we had, formerly, in ten and a half hours. Now, when he come in, and he's walking behind you with a stopwatch, and he's timing everything 00:22:00that you do, and he's always got some catty remark to make about, well, how you shouldn't 'a done that, you shouldn't 'a done this; and, uh, you can save time by doing this, that's when it met-- made -- it just made you feel like you had somebody running behind you with a damn whip, wanting to beat you into doing something that you didn't want to do, or wasn't physically able to do. Well, now, to me, I worked on it for about, uh, about, I guess two weeks in all, and, uh, the last day that he timed me, that is the day that I got so mad, well, I just, uh, I just got mad and I -- actually, I tried to run over him with a box, with my doff box; and, me and him had, had it up one side down the other that day, because he get in my way and I get in his way. And, he'd 00:23:00grumble at me, and I'd cuss at him, and, all in all, at the end of the day, well, I -- I was just so mad that I just told him, "You take these Beedos and --" well, I won't tell you what I told him, but, anyhow, if -- if he'd a done what I told him to, he'd have to go to the bathroom often, because, uh, I was mad, and uh, I just, uh, I went and told my boss, Mr. Edmondson, I said, "Now, me, I ain't gonna work like this; I don't have to, I got sense enough to go and get another job." So, the next day, I did not go out there, I went to Cherokee, and I went in and I told Mr. [Bell?] where I was wor-- Mr. Bell was a, um, the man that you applied to for a job, uh, aw, heck --

MATTIE KNIGHT: [Head of the?] hiring.

LEONARD KNIGHT: He was the man [in charge?] at Cherokee, and I went and told Mr. Bell where I was working, and what I was doing, I was a doffer in the spinning room, and I quit the Appalachian because I got so mad about the Beedo System. So, Mr. Bell said, "Well, I don't blame you for doing that, we got a job here, we can take you in." So, he put me to work. I was out of work one day, I quit Appalachian -- I worked all day at the Appalachian, I come to Cherokee the next morning, I went to work at Cherokee that evening. So, I didn't lose no time at all. And, uh, I had a much better job, I didn't have nobody pushing me. I had a much cleaner mill to work in and a boss, he just come around, he showed you what you had to -- the frames that you had to doff; and, even there at Cherokee, now, the doffers, they used two men on each frame, one 00:25:00doffer each side. And, they had so many frames we could doff those frames off and you talk about having no spare time -- we could doff those frames off, and run 'em up, and we would have sometimes as much as 20 minutes before lu-- we get all of 'em doffed off, and then we'd have as much as 20, 25 minutes before another one got full. Well, that's time you can sit down on your doff box, you could eat your sandwich, you could go to the bathroom, you could go to the washroom, you could do whatever -- we even had one guy in there we called a preacher, and that man read the Bible. Uh, he carried his Bible on the -- on the doff box with him. When we get extra time, he'd pull over and set down and read the Bible. We used to kid him about it. So, when people say that you 00:26:00didn't have time for this or that, why, that's because you -- you just didn't [work in?] break time.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Well, if you kept your job in good shape, you had time.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Sure, that's right, just like Momma says, if -- if -- if you was a worker like she was, she was a good enough weaver that she keep all of her looms running, she keep all of the loose ends tied up, she keep -- she try to make all 100% good cloth, no seconds, she can have all of her looms running and set down on the loom, just sit down, watch it run. Maybe 15, 20 minutes, sometimes a half hour.

MATTIE KNIGHT: And, I wasn't with a [sole learned weaver?], I learned myself.

LEONARD KNIGHT: So, just, so I -- now, these, people, they complained that they didn't have time for this and that, was people that was too lazy to make the time. They either didn't know how to do it or was too lazy to [want?].

GEORGE STONEY: [Cut?].

HELFAND: [Well, that's all the?] questions.

GEORGE STONEY: OK, that's beautiful stuff.

JAMIE STONEY: I kind of want to get a (inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: OK, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). [Pause] What are you doing, Jamie?

JAMIE STONEY: Just doing close-ups.

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

JAMIE STONEY: Anyways. Sir, could you look at your wife for me, for a moment?

MATTIE KNIGHT: He's scared to look at me.

JAMIE STONEY: (laughs)

LEONARD KNIGHT: Huh?

MATTIE KNIGHT: Said for you to look at me.

JAMIE STONEY: Such a handsome --

LEONARD KNIGHT: Why you want me to look at you? Hell, all I know is I've been looking at you for 80 years.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Oh -- he's the one that told you to.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Ain't nothing new. Oh yeah, you already got your mic off. You got that new permeant, getting ready to go to --

JAMIE STONEY: Shh.

LEONARD KNIGHT: -- uh, are you getting ready to -- she's been packing for two days.

MATTIE KNIGHT: Packing.

LEONARD KNIGHT: Didn't just talk -- want me to talk to you?

JAMIE STONEY: Yeah, we got it.

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

JAMIE STONEY: We're rolling [yet?].

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

JAMIE STONEY: This is room tone for the previous scene and the scene after.

[Silence]