JUDITH HELFAND: What we're trying to, you know, what we're trying to
impart in this is the black mill experience. Because there certainly was one, and I --BLANCHE WILLIS: (inaudible) strike out all of the other stuff.
STONEY: That's fine.
HELFAND: That's fine.
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)
WILLIS: All of what she said. But just -- just talk to me.
HELFAND: OK.
WILLIS: And he said, he thinks it's not (inaudible).
HELFAND: OK. All right, so I'm going to give you a question, and if we want
to talk --WILLIS: I -- I don't know why, as a matter of fact, they just didn't have
black people, women, in the mill. We weren't allowed in there, and they didn't hire us. The only thing we could do was just tend to the children, and cook for them, and do the washing, and keep house. That's what we did. It wasn't just a thing that black women were allowed to work in the mill. 00:01:00HELFAND: OK. Now I'm going to ask you to tell that story one more time, but
this time, I want you to say, so we worked in the mill village, taking care of the people's -- the people, the white -- you know, the employees that were working in the mill, we'd -- while they were in the mill, we took care of their children. And then go into the washing and the ironing and what you did. OK? We just need to remember, mill village --WILLIS: Well I did work for someone who worked in the mill village.
HELFAND: OK. So, I'm going to start the story again. You know, black women
weren't working in the mills, this is what we were doing, OK? Just -- and then, explain that instead, we worked in the mill village, and then go into your story and how you did work there. OK?WILLIS: How I did work at the mill? But you said --
HELFAND: But -- well the question is, before black women could work in the
mills, what did they do to make a living in Kannapolis? So, you could say in Kannapolis, back in the '20s or the '30s, so we know what part of time we're in,WILLS: 30s
HELFAND: OK, the black women weren't working in the mills. The black women
were working in the mill villages. Just the way you explained it, just give me 00:02:00parameters, what time, you know, and what year --(break in video)
WILLIS: -- the children, and --
HELFAND: So start from the top, raise your voice.
WILLIS: OK.
HELFAND: Because there's a whole bunch of people that don't know anything
about this, and they need to know about it.WILLIS: In -- in the early '30s, we -- we weren't working in the mills,
there were no black uh, women worked in the mill. And we worked for the people that worked in the mill, the -- the mill villages. And we took care of their house, took care of the children, and did their work while they worked in the mill. That's what -- that was an occupation at that time. We weren't -- there weren't any black women in the mill at that time. They did not hire black women in the mill. So, we worked in the homes, and took care of the children, cooked and washed, and took care of the -- the whole house, that's -- that was our job. Some of them stayed on the lot, and stayed at night, and 00:03:00some of them went and -- and came back home. You know, I have worked, and stayed the eight hours, and took care of the children, and did all the work, and then come when they got off at three o'clock, I came back home until the next morning, and then I would go back on my job, and continue my work, take care of the home, just as a housewife. I could call it just as a housewife, because we did the housewife's job.GEORGE STONEY: What did they pay you?
WILLIS: Uh, well -- and when I last worked in uh, for -- in the house, I was
making $15 a week.HELFAND: (inaudible) back in the '30s. What did they pay you back in the '30s?
WILLIS: Back in the '30s? I was making 30 -- uh, 50 cents a day, $3 a week
back in the '30s. And I also stayed on the lot six days, and I made $3 a week, and they uh, the people that I worked for would pick me up in uh, on 00:04:00Sunday afternoon, that's when I got out of school and first started working, about four o'clock, and they would take me to their house, and I would stay there until the next Saturday evening, around four o'clock, when they got off of -- from their job, and they'd bring me home. And I would get to stay at home one night per week. And I made $3 a week.HELFAND: What did you think of the mill village? Could you describe it? Did
you -- did -- what did you think of the houses, and the way the community worked?WILLIS: Well, uh, these people, they didn't -- they -- uh, they um, the last
-- first people I worked for, uh, they had office jobs. They -- the first people, when I stayed all night and made $3 a week, they had office jobs. And uh, of course, we have different communities and different types of people now, and different sections of where they worked. But these people had office jobs. 00:05:00The first -- when I got out of school and went to work.STONEY: (inaudible).
HELFAND: Yeah.
(break in video)
WILLIS: The last eight years, when I was 57, I went to work in the mill. And I
worked in the tabulating department. I was helping to take care of -- clean up the tabulating department. We dusted and emptied the waste cans. And there were those that did the bathrooms, it was a very nice, clean job. And we had -- we worked with -- white and black were working together. There were some whites that worked with us, too, when I went into the mill. Did the same job that I did.HELFAND: Great.
(break in video)
WILLIS: Well we didn't have any recreations, we just got out in the yard and
played ball with each other, and uh, as a matter of fact, as -- we had a -- a creek that ran down through, uh, the community, and uh, my brothers, and the 00:06:00younger children, the girls, we'd go down there and fish, and they would uh, stop the creek up and that's where they learned to swim. My brother is 18 months older than me, that -- we grew up together. We didn't have no recreation facilities whatsoever.HELFAND: (inaudible).
(break in video)
WILLIS: Well so far as I know, they had that -- they had, um, moving picture
shows, moving picture theaters to go to, and they had parks to play in. And we had none of that, we played in the street, played ball in the street, or out in the field, in front of our house. We had no rec-- recreation facilities. (break in the video) Come to the YMCA.HELFAND: So let's -- let's start that again. OK, so at Christmas, we went
to the YMCA, you know, we had an opportunity. Let's -- what we're trying to understand is, what happened at Christmas --WILLIS: OK.
HELFAND: -- when -- what the mill gave the black community at Christmas.
WILLIS: OK. Sure.
00:07:00HELFAND: Yeah. Re -- remark -- talk about the -- the mill and the YMCA, so we
know where we are.WILLIS: OK.
STONEY: And Christmas.
HELFAND: Christmas party.
WILLIS: Now what did you say?
HELFAND: Tell us about the Christmas party that you all went to once a year, and
what -- what -- what they gave you at the Christmas party before you -- you thought you remembered it, in such a fond way. When you tell us the story, tell us that we're at the YMCA, and that -- and the mill, so we'll know where we are. OK?WILLIS: Well we -- we didn't go to the mill. We just -- they had -- they let
us go up to the YMCA, uh, recreation -- a few hours of recreation at Christmas time. We didn't know what was in the mill, or we didn't go around the mill. And they let the children, the black children of this community, go up to the YMCA and they would show us a picture, and they would give us a bag of goodies at Christmas time, and then that was a great treat to us, we only got to do that once a year. 00:08:00HELFAND: Did you wonder what the mill -- oh. I wasn't going to ask you
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible).(break in video)
HELFAND: See that? I mean what did you think of that big building as a kid?
WILLIS: Oh, we were so happy to get to go up those -- that nice big building, we
liked walking up the steps, and we wasn't used to going into a building like that, we had no other buildings that we could go to like the YMCA, and that we went to once a year.HELFAND: OK. Now, you talk about when things began to change for black women,
in regards to employment. So, you told us about working in the homes. So, if you say well, we were working in the homes up until a certain point, and then tell us about what year they started to -- that black women started to go into the mill. And um, what they were able to do.WILLIS: Well, I guess that must have been -- OK, she told you when that was, she
said, I was still doing domestic work.HELFAND: OK, so if -- even -- why don't we start -- OK.
WILLIS: Recall their name.
HELFAND: So, you were still doing domestic work when -- when black women started
00:09:00to go into the mills.WILLIS: Yeah, I was hired as a domestic servant, and I had worked there 17 years
when uh, the women started going into the mill. And I continued my domestic work until uh, I was 57, and I went into the mill, and worked eight years until I was 65. And then I came out, and I haven't worked since. I retired.HELFAND: What was it like going into the mill, and working on a job there, after
all that?WILLIS: Well, I was just happy to get to go into the mill, it wasn't anything
strange to me, because I didn't -- I didn't run uh, into the operator machine or anything. I was one, uh, I helped to clean the offices, a big office where the people worked, the secretaries worked. And we uh, went in at 5:00, and got off at 1:00. And we would clean the offices, and dust them, and sweep 00:10:00them. And get them prepared, uh, empty the -- the uh, waste cans.(break in video)
STONEY: Well he started working in the mills at so and so, and then all the
things he did.WILLIS: Well he had been working --
STONEY: No, no, no, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
HELFAND: You have to say my husband, because we don't know who you're
talking about. OK? And if you could give us a year, so it's (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).WILLIS: My husband was working there while we were dating, while we were
courting, before we even married. He was working in the mill. And he stopped working in the mill, I guess, in 1941, and he went into World War II, we weren't married at -- at that time. And then, when he came home in '45 --HELFAND: OK. (inaudible).
(break in video)
WILLIS: He worked in the coal shoot. He told this other guy that he unloaded
boxes, and the main thing, he was a janitor. He cleaned the cuspidors, and uh, he helped to clean the uh, offices, clean up, and -- and the water fountains. 00:11:00And they weren't allowed to drink from the water fountain at that time, because they had a sign that white only. And they would carry a bottle, a cola bottle in his pocket, and whenever he got ready for a drink of water, he would go to the fountain, which he had cleaned, and he'd get a bottle of water in the cola bottle, and he'd leave out of that area and go somewhere and drink it. (break in video) (inaudible). Well that's basically -- is there anything else that you think would be important about -- then after integration, he was able to go into the mill. Wait now, let's get this together.HELFAND: OK. (inaudible).
(break in video)
WILLIS: He came out of the Army --
HELFAND: No, no, no. When -- when he first went in -- let's try and make this
one short story. You know, the --WILLIS: When he first went in the mill?
HELFAND: Yeah. When my husband first went in the mill, he did this. And this --
WILLIS: Well I wasn't married to him then.
00:12:00HELFAND: OK. You were courting?
WILLIS: Yeah, we didn't get married until after he went to --
HELFAND: OK.
WILLIS: -- World War II.
HELFAND: OK.
WILLIS: And that's when I can give -- tell you what he did. You know, all the
other things is what I -- he did, he told me he did. He was working in the coal shoot --HELFAND: OK, OK.
WILLIS: (inaudible).
HELFAND: Let's -- let's try it one more time.
WILLIS: OK.
HELFAND: And my -- my husband, or I know if you -- he wasn't my husband at the
time, he was my boyfriend, if you need to make it very plain, OK?WILLIS: Well there's not too much I know about that before we was married.
Only that he was --HELFAND: My husband --
WILLIS: My husband was working in the coal shoot, and he worked in the waste
department, I understand, before he went into the Army. And he was a jan-- after he became -- after he came home and we was married, that's when he went back and he changed jobs, and he was a janitor. He cleaned the uh, offices, and 00:13:00swept, and emptied cuspidors, and cleaned fountains, and did the bathrooms. But he wasn't able to drink the water out of the fountains that he cleaned, because they had a sign over the fountains, "White only." So he carried a bottle, a cola bottle, in his pocket. And he would get his bottle of water and go somewhere else to drink it.HELFAND: OK. I have --
(break in video)
WILLIS: -- integrations, they uh, he was able to get different jobs.
HELFAND: (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). My husband.
WILLIS: OK.
HELFAND: OK. We're going to wait until he closes the door. I'm sorry. We
just want you to sound really good, and we want the sound to be clean.WILLIS: After the integration, my husband was able to get a better job. He was
able to go into the cloth room and run the cloth room, cloth machine, he -- he ran -- worked with the cloth machine. And he ran that machine. And uh, I 00:14:00believe that's what he retired from. He was able to do other jobs that was in the mill, other than just being a janitor.HELFAND: How'd you feel about that?
WILLIS: Oh, I felt very happy. I felt very proud of him. Because I knew he had
a better job, and he was making more money.STONEY: Were you angry that he could have done that most of his life?
WILLIS: Well I didn't know any better, because none of the rest of the black
people could do any more, and so, he was just one of the black men that was, went over there, and being put -- they was hired to do it.STONEY: OK. That's --
(break in video)
WILLIS: (inaudible).
STONEY: OK.
HELFAND: OK. Do you want to do anything about her working with the pension and
the union?STONEY: (inaudible).
(break in video)
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
(break in audio)
F1: (inaudible). Well today, Lilly said she told Buck, said uh, well I'll bet
you played at (inaudible). He said, it's not (inaudible).F2: What, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)?
00:15:00F1: Lilly.
F2: Well I mean, you know.
F1: You know what I know?
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)
F2: For the simple fact that they (inaudible) you know?
F3: That's how come nobody ain't happy. F1: There's nobody talking about
it now, it's just quiet, I can't believe how quiet it is.F3: I can't either.
F2: If y'all -- if the company had (inaudible) by a whole lot more votes than
they did win by, then uh, they would have something to boast about. But they didn't. And that's why everything is low-key, they know what they did.F1: Yeah.
F2: That posting, and that sign on the canteen area, as you go to vote,
everybody have to pass the canteen area, posting that these are the ACTWU.F1: Yeah.
F3: And half of those people ACTWU never even representing.
F1: Well I'm telling everybody that I was really praying for -- that they
didn't let me down. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). I'm not either, because I know they scared the people, that's why we didn't get more votes. 00:16:00They scared them today.M1: Well you know, you ain't -- you ain't got as much to be ashamed of as
Fitz Gibbons.(laughter)
F3: (inaudible) that's what we call him.
M1: But if -- you know, if I was him, I'd run (inaudible) reigns off, I
wouldn't want that man in the same town as me.F3: I saw him when y'all said (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
M1: He -- get him killed.
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
F5: He looks like that every time I see him.
F3: Yeah.
F5: He don't look that good, does he?
(laughter)
F3: No. I got to say that to get y'all off my back.
M1: (inaudible) camera on.
F3: We talked [to his daddy?], you got to make some of your comments, but you
make good comments.F1: Well, I have (inaudible). That's what I (inaudible). (overlapping
dialogue; inaudible).F2: We're going to get one.
F1: You think so?
F2: You gonna get one.
F1: I hope it's not long.
F3: But there's people in there that uh, that want -- that seem to me like
00:17:00they was scared before, but now they act like they're scared to talk.F1: I know.
F3: Don't they? They really do.
F1: Well they took the furniture and they scared them.
F3: And I think that (overlapping dialogue; inaudible) they just waiting for me
to get fired in a minute, I think. But I ain't going to. I'll be there when the witch is gone. (laughter)F2: You say you'll be there when the witch is gone?
F3: Yeah. (inaudible). I won't, I bet.
M1: Yeah.
F1: Well, I -- I didn't know what to expect after it was over, but it's --
it's -- but it's just been quiet. I can't get over how quiet it is. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).F2: Well, one of the things that you're going to have to look out for now.
F3: The calm before the storm.
F1: I know.
F2: That's what I was getting ready to say, one of the things that you guys
are going to have to look out for now is the simple fact that while you're waiting on your election, how nice they may begin to be to you.F3: Yeah.
00:18:00F2: Very, very nice where, you know, if you come back, they could change a lot
of people's minds. And that's one of the things that -- that when we came here, we hit them so fast that they didn't have time to --F3: That's right. That's exactly right.
F2: -- turn around, you know?
F3: You didn't hit them fast enough, we would have gotten more votes.
(laughter) This girl asked me today, she said (inaudible) if we get another election, are you going to be for the union? I said, "Today, tomorrow, and forever." Now wasn't that a dumb question? And here I am with an ACTWU shirt on.F1: Who was that?
F3: Amy [Dues?].
M1: Oh we know they don't feel remorseful for what they done. Because this is
the third time.F3: That's right. They just hate that they didn't do us dirtier than what
they did. They're trying to figure out now where they went wrong. (laughter) Like that cartoon, what -- we made them -- we're making mistakes, what can we do now? (laughter) They ain't falling for it.F4: Did you see (inaudible) today?
F3: Uh-uh.
00:19:00F4: They got a write-up in the paper that (inaudible). Fieldcrest against them, (inaudible).
F2: Yeah Where do you get an Edge paper?
F4: It comes in the mail. (laughter)
F3: It comes in the mail.
F2: Bring them with you tomorrow.
F3: I want to get mine before I get home, my mail (overlapping dialogue;
inaudible) four o'clock.F2: What's The Edge?
F4: It's just (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
F3: It's a free one. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). You know it ain't
much, it's free.F2: Who puts that out?
F1: I don't know.
F3: I don't know, (inaudible).
M1: (inaudible).
F4: Uh --
M1: The Edge is uh, Bill Baker's staff, (inaudible). Down on uh --
F1: Did you see it today?
M1: -- Market Street.
F4: You read it today?
F1: I went and got it yesterday, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
F4: The union versus Fieldcrest. It's got some --
00:20:00M1: The Tribune had a couple of articles today about it.
F4: They had a write-up, thank you Mr. Murdock for sending me that money. (laughter)
F2: Some man said that?
F4: Yeah, they got that little (inaudible) wrote it. I didn't read it all.
F3: There's some dumb people around here, ain't there?
F2: Thank you Mr. Murdock for sending me your money.
F3: Oh, when we was trying to get our election in '85, they actually made up
money for David Murdock to send him flyers for -- show appreciation. Can y'all believe that?F1: Oh, we're going to have to do that (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
F3: This woman. Hey, this woman said uh, if it wasn't for David Murdock, we
wouldn't even have a job, and another woman said if it wasn't for the Devil, we wouldn't need no preachers, either. (laughter) Oh. But they didn't give but $10 when they made up for Murdock, and I think some of them had to put money with it to get his flyers. And you know he liked them, didn't he? But I know 00:21:00he did.F1: Well uh, Fieldcrest is not laughing at us now. They're not even smiling
now. It's a pleasure to see them. (laughter) It was worth a million dollars the other night to see their faces when they counted those votes. I wouldn't take nothing for that.F3: See right to the bitter end, we was ahead, wasn't we Peggy? And they were sweating.
F1: Yeah, and we went out hollering (inaudible). (laughter)
F3: We got to hollering "Union, union," and they stepped back, and let us
go, didn't they?F4: They did.
F1: So, it was worth it. So, they didn't shame us.
M1: Well see, they knew y'all were pro-union, they didn't want no controversy.
F3: That's right.
M1: Since the union starts all the controversy.
F3: Yeah. The antis can call you a bitch or anything, but the union better not
open their mouth. Ain't that right? 00:22:00M1: Well, I didn't get to work on them, I wish I had.
F1: I wish you had, too.
M1: I don't have no idea I'd have a job now.
F3: I don't believe you would, either.
F1: I tried to get him a good
supervisor, (inaudible) to find out what the word was, but he (inaudible). We're going to have to find out, to see what's going on.F3: Yeah. I miss Betty, but [LaBeth?] was supposed to come, but she must not.
But I didn't get to talk to her but one time, Diane saw me, and she looked at me like I'm committing a crime when I talk to her.F1: They haven't threatened her no more, have they?
F3: Uh-uh.
F4: Yeah, I went to (inaudible) went to this (inaudible).
F3: Yeah, she (inaudible).
F4: I'm a smoker, and she comes up --
F3: All the union people was sitting in the smoker at five o'clock.
F4: She said, "Time for y'all to leave now." (overlapping dialogue;
inaudible). She'd been letting all them other people smoke, so I decided to go too. 00:23:00F3: Everybody in there was for the union but one. And she comes by, and said,
"Break's over."F4: (inaudible).
F3: And Julia had been in the smoker, she goes when she gets ready, and stays as
long as she wants to.F4: (inaudible).
F3: She's an anti. Strictly anti. The first day the campaign started, she
was for the union. I said, "Elizabeth, I'm coming home," because I didn't believe her. And at five minutes after 3:00, she was against it. And been against it ever since, that's how stupid she is. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible). Connie, her best friend Connie, Connie the great fixer. (inaudible) went in to (inaudible). I don't believe I want to be no organizer. These -- these people have really helped us, y'all. I mean it, they have helped me. We really appreciate it, too. 00:24:00F1: But they didn't help us enough, because we didn't get it. (laughter)
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)
F2: Now you're going to put us on the guilt trip. Please don't put that on us.
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)
F1: -- union.
F3: Yeah.
F4: She should have been in it last time.
F3: People would ride by them and tell them why didn't they get a real job,
and them sleeping two and three hours a day. Say, "Why don't y'all get a real job?"F4: They didn't do all this last time, either. They didn't (inaudible) last time.
M1: Well then you should have told them, what no union jobs here. (laughter)
F2: That's right.
F1: Well, you know, (inaudible) anti (inaudible) jumped out of the car that day
and turned around to show her "No" t-shirt.F2: Mm-hmm.
F1: She helped with their side, with the company side that night, we was doing
the vote.F: Oh, she was an observer?
F1: Yeah, she sat back there and watched (inaudible) box or something.
F4: Amanda?
F2: Really?
F1: The black girl.
F4: That's Amanda.
F1: She jumped out that day. (laughter) (overlapping dialogue; inaudible)
jumped out and show her shirt. 00:25:00M1: Well, you should have said, "Well I'll tell you as soon as I get this
union in Fieldcrest, I'm going to work for them."(laughter)
F2: Mm-hmm. That'd show them.
F1: Oh.
F2: But see, that just goes to show you that she's a black that's
complacent, you know? She doesn't realize the struggle that -- that blacks came through, you know? She done forgot it. She just done forgot it. They let her work and be a little clerk, and they let her get back with some things, and she forgets what other people are going through, the high rates that y'all have to go through, the pro-- production demands that you can't meet. You know, the level of pay -- pay that people get. Because (inaudible) some people tell us they made 15 to $20 a day.F1: Yeah, (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
F4: No, she don't. She's just a --
(overlapping dialogue; inaudible)
F1: Did y'all read, in the paper the other day, somebody said uh, that they
00:26:00were happy working at Fieldcrest, and they made $1.62 an hour when they came to work 19 years ago, and now they was making 7.47. That woman said she was really happy with her job.F2: See that's what I mean, when I was telling y'all about people having to
live from paycheck to paycheck. They don't have anything for the luxuries in life, you know? If you go out, you know, I don't know why they should feel that my child is not as good as the next child, why he got to wear what we used to call [joe lap?] tennis shoes, y'all remember what that is?F5: Yeah.
F2: [Joe lap?] tennis shoes, you know, compared to their kids wearing BK Knights
and LA Gears, and Reeboks and stuff like that, you know? And I don't know why people got that mentality. You know, I -- I was telling y'all sitting in the room one day, about textile workers period, they think they got a different look than everybody else. And you can, normally you can tell textile workers for the simple fact they're going in places like Family Dollar, or some middle store, 00:27:00you know, the shop. You know.F3: Yeah.
M1: If you watch them long enough, you'll catch them going in the Goodwill.
F2: Sure.
F3: Louise, (inaudible).
F1: Goodwill and Salvation Army. (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
F4: -- buys his clothes. He tells me (inaudible).
F2: And you know what -- you know they're talking about -- you know this
should be an insult to y'all. You're having a union draft going on, and I told Brenda this -- I mean, not Brenda, but Cynthia one day. And I'm going to tell y'all now, you notice it. It should have been an insult to the people here in Kannapolis, when they said that they would stop business and industry from coming in here if you voted a union in.F1: You know why? Yeah.
F2: And what's the biggest store that they put right here on the corner, if
y'all never seen it, and you're all out of film, and you're filming stuff, they've got a big sign up there saying we're putting a Goodwill store in here. Now what does that mean to y'all? They're making a bigger and better 00:28:00Goodwill store for y'all to shop in, because it's saying, I'm not going to pay you no money, no way.F3: Get a grip.
F1: You know why they --
F4: (overlapping dialogue; inaudible).
F3: -- you know why they don't? That's why they don't have a union,
because industry wants us, because we'll work for nothing. That's why they want us.F2: And that's why you find your industries moving to the South.
F3: Because they know the dodos will work for whatever they want to pay you.
F2: The Chamber of Commerces, which are all these businesses and things
together, say move on down to my territory, we don't have no unions, there the grass is green and the pickings is great. These people will work for 4.35. You don't have to pay them anything. And they'll work.F3: Yeah.
F2: Then when somebody come and try to organize you, they say, "Oh we'll
close the plant, and you've got to go out on strike."F3: Or the biggest insult was that Wal-Marts would quit buying from us. That
was one of the biggest insults, when they told us -- well they didn't tell me, 00:29:00because I didn't get to go to the meeting, that Wal-Marts would quit buying from us.F2: But do you believe people fell for that? Wal-Mart would quit buying from y'all?
F3: Mm-hmm.
F2: When they've already got other Fieldcrest canning plants that are
unionized. But they're just buying -- Wal-Mart just buying from Kannapolis, what're they doing with the other plants? They're not buying from Eden, and [Phildale?], and Columbus?(laughter)
F5: That's like saying Levi's don't buy from nobody.
M1: Old man John Walton the richest man in the world, he's (inaudible).
F4: (inaudible) television yesterday.
F3: Yeah.
M1: Of course he's not now, but he -- he split up his fortune with his family.
F3: Yeah.
M1: That's the only reason he's not.