Honeycutt Family Interview 2

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M1: (inaudible; overlapping dialogue) Tar Heel stuff, yeah -- (inaudible; overlapping dialogue) --

JAMIE STONEY: -- shot --

M2: Put that cigarette down, Mom, and just -- (inaudible; overlapping dialogue)

F1: [Can’t?] do nothing now.

C1: [Where going here?]?

GEORGE STONEY: You like that Cabbage Patch Doll?

F1: No --

GEORGE STONEY: See, that --

F1: -- she ain’t never got no and yes separated, she’s got it to where now she can nod her head for uh-huh and uh-uh. She ain’t got the others separated yet.

M1: (inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: That’s a cute doll, though, yeah.

F1: Say, “I’m a brat.”

GEORGE STONEY: She’s all right.

M1: (inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: OK, Tim --

F1: She calls Tim, Uncle [Teem?]. Won’t say Tim, she can say it as good as I can, Uncle Teem.

1:00

JAMIE STONEY: Do you mind that, uh --

GEORGE STONEY: Well, it’d be nice if it weren’t there.

F1: He’ll be gone in a minute.

(break in video)

M2: My hero.

JAMIE STONEY: And, we’re doing it.

GEORGE STONEY: OK, uh, just ask your parents why they backed you up on this big union drive; tell ’em -- tell us what you did and then ask your parents why they backed you up.

M2: Well, I got out and done house calls on people, and uh talked to them ’bout their problems in the plant, and, uh, where they were most unsatisfied were the company’s performance as far as raises and job stretch-outs, and, um, harassment, and that was a big issue on all my house calls. Harassment and um, uh, they were showing favoritism to some people who were not for the union and 2:00they were really putting these fo-- most folks I visited down; they were really putting them down hard, you know. And, I had some -- I had some personal reasons for getting out and doing it, such as I’ve been harassed terribly, and uh, they been – owing me a pay raise for a while, and they gave me a -- a bid on a new job and they been five weeks putting me on a new job and that’s the -- that’s another reason why I’ve been out, uh, doing so many house calls. There’s lots of reasons my dad, he could a got a contract and, uh, he didn’t -- he didn’t get it because they didn’t vote it in, and he wouldn’t have lost his pension -- 33% of his pension he lost, and uh, I think about stuff like that and just wonder, when I get 65 am I gonna have a pension? Or, are they gonna take it and go invest it in junk bonds like what they done to his pension? 3:00Uh, those are a few reasons, there’s a lot more reasons that I could sit down and think about it and maybe write ’em down or something, that’s just a few off the top of my head.

GEORGE STONEY: Ask your father, uh, about his experience, then.

M1: Well --

M2: How about the way it is for you, Dad?

M1: -- well that’s the way I figured, I mean, they ain’t doing the people right, and just like I say, if they don’t do something now, and get something started, most of these boys coming up now, they gonna be left holding the bag. They gonna get, you know, somebody to back ’em up, way it is now, they can run over here and (inaudible) and do whatever they want to. And so, they have to try to get something in, just like I say, you work all your life for them and (inaudible) you ain’t got nothing. And, the way it is now, you [can’t depend?] on your job half the time. [Well, there may be something wrong?] they can pay you up just like that, you got nobody to back you up.

GEORGE STONEY: Did your wife ever work in the mill?

4:00

M1: Yeah she worked some, just been a long time ago. She got banged up, as I said before.

GEORGE STONEY: Maybe you’d like to tell the story, you helped the union.

F1: Well, I helped the union because I’ve worked in several different departments. I wanted to work in the weave room because the whole family did, and because I had card room experience, the super stopped it. So, I went to the top of the order, and I ask him why I couldn’t work in the weave room. He said, “You can,” I said, “They tell me I’m too short, but I seen people shorter, and that’s what I want.” So, they put me in the weave room. I liked it, but I don’t like the way they treat their help. They some wonderful people that works there, the supervisors and things, and they some up there that can be pretty rowdy, and I see things happen that I wouldn’t want to happen to me, and I knew my sons -- ’cause that’s where his life looks like it’s gonna be spent -- I had to quit due to ill health, I had a car accident and tore 5:00my back up, then had another one when I got just about straightened out, but the worst thing that hit me of all was when Murdock come in and they took that sign down that said Cannon Mill, I cried. That’s been there since I was a child. I was born and raised here, and it broke my heart to see that come down, because it was beautiful. And, I just feel like we don’t have a town, I got it -- that’s why I’m as far out in the country as I am now, I wanted to get where they can’t touch me now. And, they can’t take nothing away from me, and I like it better out here because I don’t have to put up with that. I don’t have a whole lot, but I’m happy, I’ve got my family. We’re not rich, but we get by and I think the Lord will make a way for us, whichever way we go; but, I’m 100% Union, and I’ll back my son to the fullest extent. And, I don’t mind even though I can’t get around as good as I used to, I don’t mind going to the mill and handing out leaflets. They can either take ’em or not take ’em, it doesn’t matter, but I’m still 100% Union.

6:00

GEORGE STONEY: Now, you must get criticized by a lot of people you know, or knew, in the mill for doing this.

F1: Oh, I do, I’ve been criticized, but I’ve got a lot of friends that works up there that voted yes; I got one that can retire in ten years, but she had to wear a t-shirt that said, “No,” and Fieldcrest on the front that she voted “Yes.” And there’s a lot more of them that I’ve talked to on the phone, and I’ll talk to more if I find out who I can talk to.

GEORGE STONEY: Did your mother ever tell you about the things that happened way back yonder?

F1: When I was just a child, beyond school age, there was a strike and I remember hearing them talk about how they picketed around the fence and carried signs, and how people would walk home with the ones that was working from the mill. But, I wasn’t big enough to know about it, I was just heard her and Dad talking about it.

GEORGE STONEY: Did you see any of that?

F1: No, I was too little to remember it. I wasn’t but about four -- maybe 7:00four or five years old.

GEORGE STONEY: I wonder if you could ask your grandmother if she could tell about that.

M2: Grandmother, back in, uh, back when they had the strike, you remember when the men went on strike?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah, but I wasn’t living here, I was living in, um, [Mooresville?] then.

M1: But, you moved here during the strike.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Huh?

M1: You moved here during the strike.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, no I didn’t. But they struck here -- but, that was back in 1920, I [thought?].

M1: She knows something about [that?].

M2: Well, how did -- how did it affect you? How did that strike affect you?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Well, it didn’t bother me, because I didn’t -- wasn’t in it, you see.

M2: Was you working in the mill at that time?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I don’t remember whether I was working at that time, or not, but (inaudible) you can talk with her, if she has time enough to talk to you, why, she can tell -- she was in the strike. But [she’s out -- she can’t tell you now?].

M2: Well, you remember when the union was getting in the mill, when they were bugging for the union back then?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah, that was back in 1935, I believe.

M2: Well, how was -- how was things then, and how did that affect you?

8:00

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Well, it scared me. The folks told me to throw my lunch down and come and go with them, over in [John’s?] house, saying. And I stayed there ’til, uh, [Cory Moore?] was coming up and her brother was bringing -- getting her a (inaudible) and then, I can’t think of the thing now, but they had him on guard duty. And, he, uh, take me up the mill [all morning?], and come back with (inaudible) when I come home. I was scared, I really was, I didn’t know what might happen.

GEORGE STONEY: Did you see any soldiers or troops?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Any what?

GEORGE STONEY: Soldiers or troops?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, I didn’t.

M2: Any troops or soldiers or anything, guarding?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, uh-uh, no, they said that -- I [can tell this?] for the truth -- but I heard it -- they said that the [man?] walked from the union store up on Maple Hill, and then walked back down, and walked back [to the?] union store. I didn’t see that, but I know he was up there that morning.

9:00

M2: Was that the, uh, the anti-union people, or was that the people that were for the union?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I don’t know what they was. I didn’t talk to none of ’em. [Eddie Page?] was in it.

M2: Was that -- were they wanting the union in?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah.

M2: They were wanting the union in, so that was the people that were for the union.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah, that’s right.

M2: That was walking and protesting what the mill company was doing.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah.

M2: That’s what they were doing.

GEORGE STONEY: Why was it called the union store?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: What?

M2: Why did they call it the union store?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I don’t know.

M2: Isn’t that where the union met?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: That’s all I’ve ever heard, was union store.

M2: Isn’t that where the union met?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I don’t know.

M1: That was their office up there.

M2: Did they have an office over there?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, there wasn’t a --

M2: The union?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, I don’t know of an office being there? I don’t know, it was the union store when we come to Kannapolis, we moved here in 1923.

M2: It was called the union store then?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Mm-hmm, yeah.

M2: What was --

GEORGE STONEY: Now, I believe she was describing that they had machine guns on 10:00the factories and up on the top of the factories and that kind of thing.

M2: They had guns on top of -- on top of the mill?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, I didn’t see any.

GEORGE STONEY: You didn’t see any, yeah.

M2: You didn’t see any machine guns up there?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, I didn’t see any.

M2: But you heard -- did you hear that, did you hear that they were?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, no.

F1: I think he’s referring to the cannon that I was talking about, they took down up there, the big sign that lit up.

GEORGE STONEY: Oh, I see, yeah. That’s something else.

M2: A big old cannon that they had on top of the mill.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Oh, I cried like a baby when that thing came down.

M2: Yeah, I did, too.

GEORGE STONEY: Uh, what -- what kind of, uh, acquaintanceship did you have with unions when you were growing up?

M2: Well -- well, when I was growing up I remembered a --I remember Dad talking about the first vote, I wasn’t in there then.

M1: In ’74.

M2: Seventy-four vote, the vote of ’74 wasn’t the first one, the ’74 -- remember talking about that, and I was thinking -- I was in school and I was thinking about all the ways that he could -- he could benefit from that. And Dad knew, you know, he knew -- he knew how he could benefit from it and, uh, if 11:00I would have been there, I’d have been just like I am right now, you know, I’d have been all for it. I’m not -- I’m not against the company, and I’m not against what they stand for, but I am against -- equal opportunity and fair labor, and I think that, uh, anybody that discriminates again’ anybody on a job or harasses or hassles ’em about their job, they don’t need a job, you know? I don’t think that they should be any kind of harassment in the workplace, I think that should be a comfortable place to be, because you’re not comfortable when you’re there, that’s the way I feel about it, you know.

GEORGE STONEY: Did you have any knowledge, or did your father give you any knowledge about a union history?

M2: Back then, or -- or now?

GEORGE STONEY: Back then.

M2: Back then, we didn’t talk about it very much, back then, but, um, it -- more or less, you know, the union was trying to get in up here and back then they didn’t talk about it like it’s us and we’re going to organize and 12:00we’re all going to be as one, and we’re going to stand up for our rights, they didn’t talk about it like that back then. They talked about it like these people are going to try to come in to our company and take over and they’re gonna make us do this and they’re gonna ma-- that was basically how the talk went back those days, but now it’s different, you know. We all just kinda say, all right, we’re going to hold hands, you know, until these people see that we don’t -- we want equal opportunity, you know, we want rights just like they got. We want a contract like they got. You know, that’s basically what it was all about then and now, that’s the difference, I believe it was the main difference. I mean --

GEORGE STONEY: Where did you go to school?

M2: A.L. Brown.

GEORGE STONEY: Uh, when you went to school, and just put this my question in your answer, when you went to school, did they have anything about labor history or unions in?

M2: Sure did, I had a -- I took a course called, um, ICT, and uh, in my ICT class I had a real smart teacher, Mr. [Swanders?], and he told us all about the 13:00union. You know, this was when they was -- when they was trying to have an election, he told us all about it, and, uh, I mean it went all the way from a coup d’état to, you know, just a union. You know, he taught us about everything, this guy was brilliant. And, um, he really set me straight, and I’ve never changed, you know, I really didn’t know what Dad was talking about when he was talking about the union trying to get in, but then when it happened, you know, we kept -- we had a real upbeat current event type class, you know. And, when it come around then he -- we went through weeks of explanations of what this is all about and it really taught me a lot.

GEORGE STONEY: Was that in Kannapolis?

M2: Yeah, it was right over here at the school.

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, explain -- explain that you can [cut out my answers?]. Because, I’m surprised to hear that it -- that some school teacher had the guts in a company town like that to teach that, so say all of that in your answer.

JUDITH HELFAND: Also, A.L. Brown was somebody in the mill, wasn’t he? He was 14:00like a superintendent, right? So -- and if you could also say what ICT stands for, ’cause I don’t know.

M2: Industrial -- Industrial --

M1: I don’t remember.

GEORGE STONEY: Anyway --

HELFAND: Mention who that school was named for.

M2: Yeah, OK.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah, that’s why he was named after him.

M2: Yeah, was named after A.L. Brown.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: (inaudible) lake.

GEORGE STONEY: OK.

M2: Uh, you wanna start over?

GEORGE STONEY: Yeah, you’re right.

M2: OK, well, I went to -- I went to A.L. Brown High. School was named after A.L. Brown who was a superintendent I believe in the mill. He drove his -- he drove his automobile, hit the wrong pedal on his automobile out here, and went through the fence into the lake that’s uptown [right now?] at the mill, and he drowned in his car at the bottom of the lake. So, they named that school A.L. Brown after him, and, um, it was a -- it was a real nice place to go to school. I had -- I was in ICT class, where if you worked -- like I worked in a cotton mill part time -- if you worked in a cotton mill, you went to ICT it was 15:00Industrial Cooperative Training or something like that. And, uh, they had CE which was for clerical jobs, people here had clerical jobs -- you had your choice, and uh, I was working in the mill, and my ICT teacher, Mr. Swanders, he was a real brilliant man, he taught us everything from coup d’états to union pushes, and, um, he -- this was when the union was trying to get in in ’74. And he, uh, he pretty much explained, uh, the situation that was going on in the mill; we kept up with current events daily, and we spent, like, two weeks going over the situation in the mill, the union trying to get in. Even stuff my dad wouldn’t, you know, couldn’t tell me, or wouldn’t tell me, he just told me that they were going to have a union vote, but there was a campaign going on. But, Mr. Swanders, he went all out to tell me and explain it to the whole class, everything about it, you know, which took a lot of guts, being a mill village, you know, a mill town, plus the school was even named after one of the 16:00supervisors in the mill, you know, but he -- he, they never fired him for teaching us, no matter what he wanted to teach us. Especially when it was current events, something as big as a union drive, big as ten thousand people back then, that’s about how many they had in the mill, you know. Probably more than ten thousand, then.

M1: (inaudible).

GEORGE STONEY: This is interesting to me, that even in a place that supposedly is as closed down as Kannapolis was, that you had somebody like your Mr. Swan --

M2: Mr. Swander.

GEORGE STONEY: -- Swanders to talk about that.

M2: He explained everything. He was the best teacher I ever had. He was great, he -- he taught me how to do my own income tax. He taught me everything, really, this guy taught me everything.

HELFAND: How did the other students -- did you -- did you have discussions back and forth? I’m sure the other students had parents that were in the mills, that were on either side of the situation, what happened?

M2: We just all felt -- his class was so interesting, you know how you had classes in school where you just wanted to lay your head on a desk, you know? Like, read this right here, he read it to us, you know? I mean, we followed 17:00along; he had a class that was so upbeat, you couldn’t blink your eye, much less try to lay your head on a desk, no you couldn’t do it. I mean, if you’d get kind of bored, he’d say, “Well, we’re kind of bored with this, we’ll finish it tomorrow.” He’d go on to something else you know, something totally different, then we’d come back to that in the next day and he’d finish explaining it. But, this guy went all out, like we spent one day him explaining what a coup d’état was, one whole day. I’ve never forgot. My wife didn’t even know what a coup d’état was before I told her, you know?

GEORGE STONEY: Did your father ever talk about -- did you ever tell your son about unions?

M1: I don’t know if I ever talk to him about that or not, I know that --

GEORGE STONEY: Sorry, could you start over and say -- I know we talked a bit about unions, OK?

M1: Do what?

M2: In ’74, you told me about that.

M1: Yeah, I told him about it in ’74 because it was come out then and we had to, you know, do something, we was talking about it, I don’t remember what it was now, but, they -- they called us in up there and they all give us election 18:00[the big wheel come down?], everybody out there and tell you not to vote, and all this stuff, you know. They didn’t need no union, it’ll be hard on you, and all that stuff. You know how [to write and run it down?], but one of them was [Fort?], in [Louisville?]. And, uh --

GEORGE STONEY: Why do you think they were so much against it at that time?

M1: I don’t -- well, back then they wasn’t as hard on ’em, as they are now. Back then when you worked for Cannon, you had a pretty good job, I mean, you could get something done, I mean, you had somebody to back you then. But, like it is now, since this other company took over, we got nobody to fall back to, if you -- if they want to get rid of you, they don’t have to go [over?] for nobody else, they can just say, “Well, you didn’t do your job right, we don’t need you.” If they got a union or something in there to back ’em up like there was before, you know (inaudible)well they gonna work that thing out and see whether you need to go or stay. And so, I think you need a union for stuff like that.

19:00

GEORGE STONEY: Well now, we’ve been talking with some people in -- in Kannapolis who say that the union’s going to tear the town apart, they’re going to have one team of people fighting another people, and it’s just better not to have it. What do you think about that?

M1: Well, I don’t think much about it, but now that’s what some of ’em said, and the lawyer makes that stuff up, you know, there’s a lot of propaganda stuff they just tell stuff like that. People don’t [know how it’s going to go?], they ain’t need it, they don’t know. They just imagine that stuff, or figure that stuff. Well I don’t see nothing to be wrong with it, if you got somebody in there who can -- that you can go before and get something done, or back you up, and that’s what they promised you, you know, good will, he’s got some other mills that’s in the union, and they claim they’re better. You see all them truckloads that come down here, trying to help them get in the unions. From [even the bar?] if they wasn’t no good, what would they come down and try to get it in here for? They paying more, and that mill’s still running, and they -- the peoples’ happy working up there.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, one of the things I can’t figure out is every time I read 20:00the propaganda, it says -- talk about outsiders coming in, but they never talk about the outsiders coming and buying up the company, that seems to be all right. Murdock can come from California -- could you talk about that?

M2: Sure, well, uh, you -- you was telling him my dad -- just talking to my dad about the town being torn up, Eden’s not torn up, Eden’s a nice place to live, you know, it’s a great place, they’re union, I mean, Fieldcrest is all over Eden and Fieldale, Columbus, Georgia, Columbus Towel Mill Mill, they say that their -- around that mill village down there is just a wonderful place to live, you know, it’s home. And the union hasn’t torn that up, but, uh, I forgot what the question was.

GEORGE STONEY: Well, about the tow-- why do you think these oth-- they accuse you of bringing outsiders in and that’s bad, but they bring outside financiers and all that to -- to run the mills.

M2: Yes, that’s -- that’s something to think about there, you know, like, these organizers come down here from New York and Raleigh, California, Canada, 21:00all over the-- all over the United States, the southern United States to help us organize. I mean, that’s what they do, they take our little bit of monies, each one of ’em, and they put it in a big old pot, where we can pay these lawyers to represent us, where we can do -- have more organizing, making the organization bigger, that’s all they do, I mean, they’re taking $3 and something a payday, you know, a week. But, it’s all right for someone like David Murdock to fly out here from California and buy the whole town, the mills and everything here, and then bust it all up, and sell a little bit of it, and keep this and keep all the profits and -- and, uh, close this down and run all these people off and it’s tearing the whole town all to pieces, and then use our money, our tax money to destroy our town and restore it like he wants it. Spend -- make us spend five years running around detours, you know, while he’s 22:00destroying our town with our money, our tax money. Come out in the rural communities, raise up the bridges so he can get his boats underneath -- through the lake, you know, tear up all them roads, you know. Some of them people had to run 15 miles out of the way to get to work, you know, because he had the bridges raised. And our tax money done half of that, too. It’s all right for him to come out here and totally destroy the place, and then soon as he said, “Y’all don’t vote for the union,” and we’ll be one big happy family, and soon as the union leaves, they closed the door. He turns right around, sells it to someone even worse, like Fieldcrest. I mean, these guys live up in, what, Massachusetts, up in Boston, up in there? They don’t know what goes on around here, these people aren’t -- these people may not tear the town totally up because they don’t own it, but they own all the industry around here, and it wouldn’t -- it wouldn’t affect them one bit if they laid everybody in 23:00Kannapolis off. I mean it -- they would never have to sit around here and say, uh, “Well, I feel real sorry for you ’cause I had to lay you off, you know, it’s the economy.” And, David Murdock wouldn’t have to do that, but these Cannons, when the Cannons had it, they were here, they were part of the community. These people owned the town, they own the mill, Charlie Cannon was a great guy to work for. But, you see, since when -- when the Cannons sold the stock to David Murdock, when David Murdock bought the stock, I remember the day that they said he controlled the stock, I walked in the gate and I told Daddy and them, I said, “We need a union bad.” And, one man’s going to own this company, he going bust this thing all to pieces and I already heard that he was a tycoon, you know? It was an industrial tycoon come in to bust it up, sell it off, you know, I said, that’s exactly what they gonna do, you mark my words, and it happened, I mean, it was exactly like I predicted. But with Charlie Cannon, he never do that, all he done is he stockpiled his stuff, we made it, we made too much of it, and he stockpiled it. And when the economy got bad, nobody was buying it, we kept right on working because we had it stockpiled, we just 24:00kept stockpiling it and then when the economy picked up, he sold what we was making and what we had stockpiled. Now, they sell it, the customer pays for it, and then we make it. You see, I mean, we’re l-- they’re managing this company by the short tail, you know, day by day.

M1: They had managers back then, they ain’t got no management up there now. They run six, seven days a week, and they all [short?], they -- Cannon used to run up, when he had no orders, he’d run up, know about what he was going to sell, and he’d store it in them warehouses. And, when it picked up, he still stayed on five days a week, he didn’t pay out extra money to run, you know, six or seven days, and he was still making money and already had his stuff made up not working the people to death, either.

GEORGE STONEY: Maybe you’d like to ask your grandmother about when she started working in the mills and what she did, and what the conditions were.

F1: Ask her what she made?

GEORGE STONEY: And what she made.

25:00

M2: Grandmother, when you started working up there in the mill, back -- remember back when you first started working up there, what kind of -- what kind of working conditions was it, was it cool, was it real comfortable, did you --

F2: Oh, it wasn’t (inaudible).

M2: Was it a real hard job?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, it wasn’t too hard a job, (inaudible).

M2: I mean, was it -- was it a good place to work, did you enjoy working there --

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah, yeah, uh-huh.

M2: -- compared to where you’d been before? About what kind of money did you make back then?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Oh, I made about $2 a day.

M2: Two dollars a day.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yep.

GEORGE STONEY: What did you do?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Spin.

M2: You was a spinner.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Mm-hmm.

M2: Well, the spinning room, was it air conditioned, you didn’t have no air conditioning back then.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, it had [no?] air conditioning.

M2: It had windows open?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Well, the windows was open, that’s how I ever got.

M2: I bet you sweat a lot, didn’t you, it was real hot.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No I never did sweat much.

M2: It was real hot, though, right?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: It was hot.

GEORGE STONEY: Uh, how old was she when she went?

M2: How old were you when you first went to work up there?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I was uh, let me see, I went to work in 1923, and --

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M1: I thought you lived (inaudible) then?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I been -- I don’t know, I -- I must have been about fif-- 16, 17 years old when I went to work up there.

M2: You done worked somewhere else before that.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Oh yeah, I worked in -- I worked in Mooresville.

M2: How old was you when you went to work over there?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Well, I was, uh, 11, when I first went to work, and the eight hour law come in, and I had to back out until I was, uh, 14 years old.

GEORGE STONEY: Do you remember -- you worked how many, uh, hours when you worked full time?

M2: How many hours did you work full time, when you worked full time?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Oh, well, we worked around 12 hours a day.

M2: Twelve hours a day, five days a week?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, we worked half a day on Saturday.

M2: You worked Monday through Friday?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Mm-hmm.

M2: Twelve hours a day?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah.

M2: And then, half a day on Saturday?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Mm-hmm.

GEORGE STONEY: And what did you make?

M2: How much did you make, then?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I made $2 and something, I (inaudible).

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M2: Two dollars and something a day.

GEORGE STONEY: And, do you remember when -- ask her when -- if she remembers when the Roosevelt changed the hours and the wages.

M2: Do you remember when President Roosevelt changed the hours and the wages?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah, it was the best time we ever had in our life.

M2: You made a minimum wage.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Mm-hmm.

M2: Do you remember that?

GEORGE STONEY: Ask her to talk about that.

M2: Can you talk about that?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, I -- I don’t remember things, I (inaudible) you get as old as I am you’ll forget things, too.

M1: Answer one question at a time, [getting?] answers

M2: Well, how much were you making before that.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I don’t know. It’s been so long ago.

M2: What was it just a --

JENNY HONEYCUTT: That has been some years ago.

M2: -- just a little, was you making just a little bit before he changed all that?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, I isn’t make too much when he first come in, so (inaudible) President, the most I ever made in my life was $4 and something a day. Now, that was when I retired.

M2: Four dollars and something a day?

GEORGE STONEY: You retired -

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JENNY HONEYCUTT: I retired in 1973.

M2: Are you sure you wasn’t making $4 an hour?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: I was making -- yeah $4 an hour was what I was making.

M2: $4 an hour, in 70 -- when, in ’73?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Yeah, ’73.

GEORGE STONEY: Ask her to tell us about Roosevelt.

M2: Can you tell us about President Roosevelt?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: No, I don’t remember Roosevelt, I [really never meedle in?] anything like that, but I thought he was a -- he made a good president.

M2: What did he do that you thought was so good?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Oh, when he got us down to eight hours.

M2: Made ’em let you work eight hours on.

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Mm-hmm, you couldn’t work no longer than eight hours.

M2: Eight hours a day.

M1: (inaudible) jobs that people didn’t have --

M2: Created more jobs, didn’t it?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Oh, yeah.

M2: Had to put two more shifts on, didn’t they?

JENNY HONEYCUTT: Mm-hmm.

F1: Get her to tell you when she worked over -- when she first went to work how the Cannon pe--