GEORGE STONEY: Uh -- they gave me a job at Porterdale where the [inaudible] --
ARTHUR DUNCAN: Yeah, yeah, they gave me a -- whenever I left East Newnan, after
I got a recommendation from Mr. Nixon, they gave me a job. But they did not --STONEY: I'm sorry, they gave me a job at Porterdale.
DUNCAN: At Porterdale, at Porterdale.
STONEY: Okay, start again.
DUNCAN: Yeah. Whenever I -- after I left -- talked to Mr. Nixon about a
recommendation and I went to Porterdale, Georgia and they gave me a job there. And they said they wasn't interested in nothing except somebody who could do the work. But they would not give me a [inaudible] house on the village. I would have to -- their excuse was, we don't have any houses. But they would not give me a house on the village. And I said, well, I don't want no house on the village anyway. So I got one seven miles from the work, and they give me that job in Hogansville -- I mean, in Porterdale. And I told him that -- he said, well, said, most thing we interested in is folks who can run the job. I said 00:01:00well the only thing you can do for me is give me a chance and I can prove I can run the job. So they did give me a chance -- and I -- to run the job. And they told me they wasn't interested in troubles, they had somewhere else what they was interested in getting production out of their mill.STONEY: Okay, let's start again. I want you to say that they wouldn't let you
have a house and they put you on the third shift.DUNCAN: Yeah.
STONEY: Because that was kind of a penalty.
DUNCAN: Yeah, okay.
STONEY: Okay, we'll try it again.
DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: Okay?
DUNCAN: When I left Newnan and went to Porterdale, they wouldn't give me a house
but they would give me a job. But they wouldn't give me a house on the village. I would have to live off the village. So they needed good help, they said, but they just didn't have any houses they could give anybody. So therefore I told them, well, I'm not looking for a house, no way, I'm looking for a job. And I had got desperate, I needed a job. And, he said, well, said, we got to have somebody to run the mill. I said well, you got anybody who can run this? He said, yeah. Well, I can too. So that's what I did, [inaudible] principles. 00:02:00STONEY: Okay, great. Okay --
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DUNCAN: -- in Hogansville, but like you said, yeah. Okay, in 1930 -- '34 I guess
it was. Anyway, in the early thirties, no, it was after the strike, because it was later than that, it was in -- anyway, I went to Hogansville hunting a job down there because -- I tell you, when working for Bibb Manufacturing Company, you had -- you had to work. Now, they didn't -- they didn't discriminate against individuals, but everybody had to work. I learned the cotton mill after I went on -- when I went to Porterdale. And so after I went to [inaudible] hunting a job there and I got my wife a job and they had started up a new place in the [inaudible] asbestos -- it was in the basement in the [Stark's?] mill to start with, and she got a job down in the [inaudible] mill, which was very dangerous. But they told us it wasn't -- it wasn't dangerous. You know, they had done checked everything. And they did take health precaution I guess it good to keep 00:03:00stuff down. But anywhere you were around asbestos, it's dangerous, even if it's just a pipe in your house. So it's a dangerous material to be around. But anyway, my wife had developed asbestosis from it, she lived fifteen to twenty years, but she just got poorer and poorer and poorer. Got down to weighing 57 pounds before she died.STONEY: Okay, good. Okay. Hold it. Okay.
DUNCAN: [Paul Elkins?], whenever we was in East Newnan, now, he was one of the
ones that I was telling you about, that was participated in the union until they had the lockout, what they call a lockout. And then he went back out, and we found out later that Paul Elkins was a company's man in the union, giving them information what was going on. They knowed everything before we ever got a [inaudible] saying, he was one of the ones that was giving them out information. And therefore he later on made a overseer, you know, and got to be a -- have a 00:04:00good job with them. But that was his position at the time that we're talking about.STONEY: Okay. Tell us about coming back to East Newnan and what Mr. Wood said
and so forth.DUNCAN: I don't remember that. I can't get that [inaudible] --
STONEY: Remember when you came back --
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DUNCAN: I come -- I come back up there one time asking him for a recommendation
after I left there.STONEY: Okay, uh --
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DUNCAN: I didn't actually talk to Mr. Wood. Mr. Wood was, I said -- he had
representatives and Mr. Nixon said we gonna forget all this [inaudible] and we gonna hire theirs and they gonna hire ours, and we're not gonna hold it against -- we're not gonna hire folks that we've participated in, but we will hire from other mills and then they'll hire ours.STONEY: Okay, now let's see.
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STONEY: Right after --
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DUNCAN: Well, after -- right after the hearing, you know, they wanted to sort of
00:05:00pacify the people and say -- say they was not against the union. So they started up what they said was a company union, you know. And they wasn't going to charge them any dues, you know, they would just have control over what they said. But it was more or less in name and nothing else but all that ever was in there. I had a -- wife's half brother was -- he joined that union and I know that what there was anything for representation it was just stuff in name and name onlySTONEY: Did you go to any of their meetings?
DUNCAN: No sir, I didn't go to none of their meetings.
STONEY: What did people say about it?
DUNCAN: Well, they just about like I said it was a sham and some -- putting on
something that -- to try to down the regular union, the regular organized labor.STONEY: Did people make fun of it?
DUNCAN: Well, to -- some did and some didn't. They just -- in principle --
STONEY: Okay, hold it. The reason I --
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DUNCAN: -- don't think they had a name like that. But I think -- I think they
said -- called it a company's union there, I think they did.STONEY: [inaudible] Fourth of July.
DUNCAN: Well, that was a -- they knowed it. They had got wind that organized
00:06:00labor was coming in. And they had to give a big celebration Fourth of Ju-- Newnan cotton mill gave a big celebration for all the employees. And they didn't get out there and tell them that they was against the union. But they was telling -- letting them think that they didn't need a union. That we gonna be -- treat you fair, and we gonna do this for you and everything else. And they give a big Fourth of July and -- celebration, and I didn't even get to go to it, because as I said I had a sick child. I did go out there and get us something to eat and carry it back home, but they had a big celebration. And they [got up so much tension?], they didn't say we warn you against the union, but they did get up and say we will not be dominated by no band of people. And we gonna treat you fair, you gonna give you what you deserve and everything without it. You don't need one to do it. And so therefore, that -- that is before they begin to fire you. My daddy wasn't fired then. After that was when they began to fire the people for participating in the union.STONEY: Beautiful. Do you know who spoke then?
00:07:00DUNCAN: I believe R.A. Fields did. I'm not sure.
STONEY: Yeah.
DUNCAN: I believe it was R.A. Fields. Now I'm not gonna definitely say that.
STONEY: Yeah, okay. You've mentioned M.L. Jones.
DUCNAN: Yeah, and we called him Mutt. Mutt Jones.
STONEY: Okay. Talk about Mutt Jones.
DUNCAN: Well, Mutt -- a fella by the name of M.L. Jones, what we called him Mutt
Jones. That was his nickname. He was a radical, in other words, he was the one to help organize there. And he was a radical, he caused a lot of these things that we done illegal, that we wouldn't have done if he hadn't have been -- hadn't have been over it. In other words, they elected the wrong man. 'Course after the wildcat strike, 'course they got shut of him then, but it was too late then, he'd done done the damage.STONEY: I believe between the time you worked -- you got fired and you worked --
you worked for the WPA.DUNCAN: Yeah.
STONEY: Could you tell that and say what you did.
DUNCAN: Okay. In the time after -- after the strike and everything and after
they told me they would -- couldn't use me at Newnan cotton mill anymore because 00:08:00I was a union sympathizer, I got on the WPA. And so -- I -- we had to work on that. They'd give us two or three -- something about two days a week according to how big your family, you'd get so many days [and that depends?] And so, I would -- we would go -- go to work on the WPA, and I worked on that, I reckon six, seven months before I left there.STONEY: Okay, I'm going to ask you to do that again, and tell me what you did.
DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: Because then we can get pictures of people working on the WPA.
DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: See what I mean?
DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: So, I don't know whether you -- whether you raked leaves, or whether you
poured concrete --DUCNAN: Well, okay.
STONEY: [inaudible] but you know, the kind of thing you did. Okay?
DUNCAN: Yeah, okay. Well, after nineteen -- after the general strike in 1934, we
got -- I got on the WPA, the government project --STONEY: Sorry, and I got fired.
DUNCAN: And I got -- okay.
STONEY: Start over.
DUCNAN: And I got fired --
STONEY: No sorry, after the general strike.
00:09:00DUCNAN: Okay. After the general strike, I got fired, got laid off, whichever you
want to call it for being a sympathizer for the union. So I got on the WPA, which was government project work, and we worked in different places. One time we worked at a cemetery, and we would clean off lots and things at the cemetery, participated in that. And then -- and later on I got on the ditching gang where they -- doing sewage work. We got out, we dug ditches and sewage work. And they would -- each man had a shovel and a pick, and he'd have his own little section that he worked in. And then after that the last work I done was paving streets. Clark Street in Newnan was one of the ones that we paved. And I rolled a wheelbarrow, pushing pavement to pour out in there. Everything was done by hand then, you didn't have any of them big trucks to come up, you done it by wheelbarrow. And that's what we done for a living, is in that -- working on the PWA [WPA], and they paid us minimum wages, which was forty cents an hour I believe at that time. 00:10:00STONEY: And how much work did you get?
DUNCAN: Got two days -- we got two days a week, but according -- if you had a
bigger family, maybe you would get more. But I only got two days a week. Had four in the family, and they give me two days a week of work.STONEY: Do you remember what procedures you had to go thorough to get that job?
DUNCAN: No, I don't. I think they just -- the only thing that you had to do
was just be unemployed and they --STONEY: Okay, hold it. That's fine.
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STONEY: Let's go to that.
DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: Okay?
DUNCAN: Okay. Well to start with, they were giving folks commodities. And you
know, they realized that people wanted to work for their something to eat rather than just being handed to them. So that's where the WPA was formed. Roosevelt formed that, says -- give people a -- the mind that they was working for what they got. And they give you how many hours you need to supply that they've been giving you on the WPA, rather than relief, you was working for what you got. Which satisfied most of us a lot better. 00:11:00STONEY: Sure. Okay, tell us about Roosevelt and if you ever met him and so forth.
DUNCAN: Well, I never -- I saw Roosevelt, but I never did get close to shake
hands and Roosevelt one time come through Newnan, Georgia, where I was at. And there were so many people there you couldn't get to him. I was pretty close to him, but I didn't get to -- didn't get to speak to him and didn't get to shake hands with him, nothing like that. But I did see Roosevelt and waved at him and things like that. And he told -- he was awful friendly and awful nice and he'd tell us all the time that he was for the working man, you know and he -- 'course he said I'm not against nobody, but I am for the working man and equal rights in other words. And he was won -- he was a wonderful man.STONEY: So you liked Roosevelt?
DUNCAN: I liked Roosevelt. Yes, still do. I think he was a wonderful man.
STONEY: [inaudible] wish you were back [there?]?
DUNCAN: Well, I think now things would be a lot different if we had Roosevelt
this day and time. A man of his capability. I believe we got him, we just haven't found him.STONEY: Okay, [inaudible]
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00:12:00DUNCAN: Well, yeah, I -- really, really, I don't like to -- the crowdedness part
of it.STONEY: Just say, I didn't like the -- my wife and I didn't like to live in the
company houses.DUNCAN: Okay. My wife and I didn't like to live in the company house really. We
lived several years out when we could've lived in company houses. But we'd just rather be out where we had more freedom and we could do what we wanted to on the property we owned because we didn't have to go ask somebody could we do so and so, you know. So we just had rather not be on it. 'Course, after the [inaudible] you had your own property then there, you know, but they didn't at the time I'm talking about.STONEY: Okay. The reason I'm asking that is that a lot of people --
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DUCNAN: Yeah, okay. Mr. D.M. Wood was superintendent of the mill at the time and
he was a -- he -- he [inaudible]. I mean, he associated with the mill people, you know, and all like that. But he was a Sunday school teacher and -- but he 00:13:00still wanted folks to do just what he said to do. And so then later on, [holiness?] begin to come in to -- in to the mill village and he was strictly against holiness. He didn't want it in any form, in any way. And I guess probably it was things he'd heard maybe the cause of it. But anyway, he didn't want it in any form and he would fire people that would join -- that was in the holiness movement. And he worked against the mill [inaudible] he could, so he -- I don't know, he just was against holiness religion, so. They found out if the truth had been known, you know, they was for him instead of against him, because the holiness people wanted to do things right, you know, and do what was -- carry the job out right, treat him right, and everything else. But he didn't realize that, so he was misled into thinking that they was a cult that was just going to come in and take over, you know.STONEY: Okay, now, you mentioned a tent revival with -- in East Newnan.
00:14:00DUNCAN: Yeah.
STONEY: Could you talk about that?
DUNCAN: Yeah, there was a fellow by the name of -- in East Newnan, a fellow by
the name of Hobert [Goolby?] come in and had a tent revival there. And it went on for five or six weeks there. And, so, they was -- have a altar [inaudible], people go to altar in the evenings, and they -- so one day this man come -- one night this man comes to the altar and told him, he says, well, I've done Mr. Wood -- I've done him wrong and I want to make -- apologize to him. And so they went and got Mr. Wood and he come down and made an apologize to him so Mr. Wood, he [says?], they was Baptist people -- Baptist people, Baptist -- Hobert [Goolby?] was. But he was -- he taken advantage of him and he accepted him, you know, and went on and went to -- going regular to his meeting and everything. Lot of it was set up from -- and he fooled a lot of people I guess, some he didn't. But anyway, Mr. Wood was all in all, I guess he treated me fair enough. I can't complain about him too much. 00:15:00STONEY: Okay. Now --
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DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: Just as though we hadn't heard it before.
DUNCAN: Okay, well I was raised in the country. I was born and raised in the
country. Raised in Carroll County, Georgia, in this county. And when I was about 7-8 years old, we moved to Crisp County, which is in south Georgia. And we was in the farming business. I learned to farm and I done up everything in the farm, and I learned how to really work [inaudible], but it was hard times, nobody had -- so the boll weevil come along and run us out of the country. And we, that's the reason why we wound up at Newnan -- at the cotton mill. We first went with working at the hosiery mill in Newnan. My daddy and brother did. But then in the fall of -- in the spring of 1925, he got us all a job at the East Newnan mill for Newnan cotton mill companies and we went down there and went to work down there in 1925.STONEY: Perfect. Okay, now just in case we happen to need that for a little --
00:16:00different section, could you tell us about your education?DUNCAN: Okay, you know, I tell them a lot of times that I was grad -- I was --
went plumb through school, but walked most of the way. But I was a graduate of the fifth grade. I went to a one-room schoolhouse most of my life -- most of my time going to school, a one room schoolhouse where every grade was in the same room, you know. So if you wanted to get promoted all you had to do was just buy you some books and go back in and go study [inaudible]. You didn't get promoted by the teacher, you went up as you thought you was able to go up yourself. So I didn't have very much education as far as -- we would call education now. But I think sometime I had a lots more than folks that's got high school education now because I could tell them things that they don't know, you know. In other words, we learned what we learned whenever I was going to school.STONEY: Now -- just [inaudible] --
DUNCAN: Sure. Okay, okay.
STONEY: Okay. Tell us about how you use your education now.
00:17:00DUCNAN: Well, I don't know how I use my education now. I wouldn't say, but I do
use a lot of common sense in my education. And if anybody tells me anything about example of anything, I can work it out in my mind, but I cannot put it down like educational people wants it put on papers. But I can tell you the answer orally, you know. I can work it out in my mind, and tell you what the answer is and everything, but I can't put it down in paper, where you can -- in other words, they used to tell me when I was going to school, well explain that. I can't explain it, I just know it, and that's all there is to it. There's just no explaining to it.STONEY: But you do a great deal of reading.
DUNCAN: Oh yeah, I read all the time. I read -- I never -- that's one thing
that's furthered me in my reading, and I do lots of mathematical work too, and things like that. And I know I was taking a test on -- in nineteen -- oh, I don't remember what year it was, but I was taking a course on color television, and I was taking the test, and I passed sec -- two grades in high school, and me 00:18:00with a fifth grade education, I passed two grade of high school -- tests. So you see, common sense is more education than actually learning. You learn more outside than you do out of books.STONEY: Great. Okay, hold it for just a minute.
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DUNCAN: -- brothers the one that actually owned the mill. Alton and Frank Arnold
STONEY: It's the same --
DUNCAN: -- and Joe Arnold. Same family owned it.
STONEY: Family.
DUNCAN: Yeah, same family. Yeah.
STONEY: So we just want to show that --
DUNCAN: Yeah.
STONEY: The reason for this is we want to show the political people --
DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: -- were also into the cotton mill.
DUNCAN: Okay.
STONEY: Okay. And tell about the local people five hundred.
DUNCAN: The local people five hundred?
STONEY: The reason I wanted to get this, two reasons --
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DUNCAN: Even though I was -- in the time I was in East Newnan, I was working
for a living. And knowed I had to work for a living. But I realized that we had somebody that had to be in charge. Somebody that was boss of the thing. And the Arnolds was -- we -- they didn't mistreat nobody far as mistreating is concerned. But they was the four hundreds, we call them, the four hundreds. 00:19:00And we had to work for them. And I don't think of all the people I ever knew, I -- knew anybody any nicer and sweeter than [Governor Arnold?] was. He was the nicest man as I ever seen. He politicked when he wasn't running for nothing. He was just a wonderful man to be around. And nobody had anything personally against Arnold. Of course we do know that Alton Arnold, when he put out there, he worked help just as cheap as he possibly could. 'Course that wasn't no sin, it wasn't against the law. But he was working them so cheap till they just couldn't hardly make a living, you know. That's the only thing you could say against the Arnolds. Other than that, they was friendly to you. Now Ellis's daddy run a store, and I traded with him, never traded with a nicer man in my life, and that is Ellis Arnold's daddy was, Joe Arnold.STONEY: Could you talk about how they financed the mill?
DUNCAN: Well, the part -- I -- I don't know so much about the Newnan Mill, why
they financed them, but the Arnco Mill was sold stocks to different people. Even local -- some of the little people could buy stocks in that. So I presume that 00:20:00that's the way the Newnan Mill was started, because it was started long before I was there, and Sargent Mill was too. Now I think Sargent Mill was completely one man, one comp -- family-owned mill whenever they first put up out there.STONEY: Did you ever invest any money in the mills?
DUNCAN: No sir, I never did invest any money in the mill. I had some good
friends that did, but I -- the fact about the business is I didn't have any money to invest in [laughs] -- in [inaudible] -- I had two children [inaudible]. It just takes -- I was just eating it as fast as I got it in my hand, I eat it.STONEY: [laughs] Okay. Okay, talk about going to the movies.
DUNCAN: Oh, yeah. Well, now I went -- I used to go to the movies for years and
years, you know. I thought the movies was one of the greatest things in the world. I went -- and silent pictures even. And I -- whenever I was just a kid growing up. But after I moved to the mill village where I had some money of my own, I went every week. I went to a movie every week. And I was going to movies for another -- began to have the talking pictures. I've seen them pictures that they had where they'd come out and everything and it was -- it was a great 00:21:00thing, we thought, to go to the movies. And they had two in Newnan. I'd go up there and see one and come out and go see the other. And so, I'd get all of them. I thought it was -- great thing. And it was good entertainment, it was great entertainment. People didn't have anything else to do, you know.STONEY: Do you remember any pictures you saw?
DUNCAN: Well, not particularly. I mean -- I remember The Sheik -- Rudolph
Valentino, I saw lots of his pictures. And I remember William S. Hart, he was a westerner, and Bill Duncan, he was just -- he wasn't a westerner, but he was a -- you know, a series man. And, let me see, Ruth Roland, I remember them old people that was in the movies and even in the silent and the first talking movies. And William S. Hart, we -- I thought he was the greatest movie actor that ever was.STONEY: Did you ever see any newsreels?
DUNCAN: Oh yeah, they have -- they have what they -- they didn't say -- they
called them Pathé news then. At that time we'd have news that was Pathé news. A rooster come up, then they'd tell you about some of the things that was going 00:22:00on. It never was much of it locally. There never was much of it other than happenings that had happened somewhere else and things like that. But they had what they call Pathé news -- it was newsreels.STONEY: Did you ever see anything about the strike in the newsreels?
DUNCAN: I don't believe I ever saw anything about the strike in the newsreel. I
don't think I ever did.STONEY: Great. We want to talk about -- hold it.
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STONEY: Okay.
DUNCAN: Well now, you take -- there might have been more guns than I knowed of.
I didn't know of but one or two, and they was hid. People didn't have them where you could see them at all. But they would show individual -- pull their coat back or something and show them. So there was actually some guns in them. But I never saw a gun in open view, where it would -- anybody could be intimidated by a gun, I never saw one. So I don't know -- I don't reckon there was any -- any 00:23:00intimidation with a gun. Now I would think -- wouldn't think so.STONEY: Now what about that statement, "if you're not strong enough, we'll come
over and help you"?DUNCAN: Well, they -- that was the shutting down of the mills. That's what they
called a flying squad come about. And they said now, [inaudible] if you can't -- are not strong enough in your own mill to shut your own mill down, we'll come over and help you. And that's the ones that was actually arrested and carried to the bullpen in -- in Atlanta. The ones that was going about helping them close the mills down.STONEY: Did you know anybody named Homer Welch?
DUNCAN: Yeah, but I didn't personally know him.
STONEY: What'd you know about Homer Welch?
DUNCAN: Well, I just know -- I --
STONEY: Okay.
DUNCAN: -- he was just sort of a leader in it --
STONEY: Okay.
DUNCAN: -- and that's all I can tell you.
STONEY: Did you know anything about a man named Zimmerman?
DUNCAN: Yeah, I knew -- I knew Zimmerman -- a man named Zimmerman. I didn't know
him too well at the time because he had already went from East Newnan to Newnan Mill down to Hogansville -- was working down there. But later on I met his 00:24:00family and I know his family well, even till now -- the Zimmermans.STONEY: Okay.
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STONEY: All right sir?
DUNCAN: They -- when they called one of their -- the local called a wildcat
strike -- what we call a wildcat strike now -- we didn't know at that time because we was all green in the union. But it was -- it was unlegal the strike was called, unlegal. And they had campfires around and -- all around, and they put locks on the gates. And the locks on the gates was kept there and they'd turn anybody back who'd come. Now I never did see -- I wasn't a picketer, as I said I had a sick child and I never -- picket. But I did go out once and a while and visit them and they'd have the campfires burning. And if anybody tried to go in the gate, they'd say, men fall the gate, and they'd just fall crossways -- across the gate and that turned them back. They didn't -- I didn't see any violence, I didn't any guns or anything. But they was there, 'course I wouldn't say they wasn't. But anyway, they -- they turned them back that, away at that strike. It was a wildcat strike. 00:25:00STONEY: Now, could -- were they singing, were they -- cut-ups, were they --
whatever happened around that time?DUCNAN: Well, they -- they was -- they didn't -- just more talking than anything
else. It was -- I don't remember ever them singing or anything like that. I think they was just discussing, maybe the union or what they was going to do and how they was going to come out with it and things like that. Just general discussion.STONEY: Did you see any pamphlets or leaflets or anything?
DUNCAN: Well, I remember seeing some got -- come out, but I --
STONEY: Oh, sorry, [inaudible] pamphlets.
DUNCAN: Oh, okay. I remember -- pamphlets coming out, but unfortunately I didn't
get a hold of any of them, so I don't know what they said and didn't read them because I just didn't get a hold of any of them pamphlets.STONEY: Okay, great. Now let's see, just a moment.
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DUNCAN: [inaudible] yeah.
STONEY: -- didn't go together, boys and [inaudible]. There was just a difference
between the, class difference between the two --DUNCAN: Yeah, okay.
STONEY: -- didn't have fights, but --
DUNCAN: That's right.
STONEY -- You felt it --
DUNCAN: That's right.
STONEY: -- all the time.
00:26:00DUNCAN: Well, in -- back in those days, you know, there was two classes of
people. What they call the lower class or the working class and the upper class or the four hundreds. And they just didn't associate with one another at all. They would -- they'd want to sell you their goods, but whenever they sold their goods they'd want to get you out quick as you could. They didn't want to be caught associating with that class -- lower class of people. But anyway, they treated us fair because we -- that's where the money was coming from -- from the working people, and they treated us fair on that account.STONEY: That's fine. Okay --
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STONEY: [inaudible] do now, okay?
DUNCAN: Well, I learned from the experience we had back then, I learned that you
should get facts first before you try to do anything. And then you should find out what's legal and what's illegal. And -- but not be led into something by somebody that don't know what they're doing. Have you a good, firm, solid leader, something -- somebody that knows what he's talking about and what he's doing. And that is the main subject, having a good, firm leader that knows what he's doing. 00:27:00STONEY: Okay. What are your plans now?
DUNCAN: What are my plans? [laughs] I guess just -- plans -- my plans now are
just finishing up life in peace the best way I know how [laughs], in peace with all men.STONEY: Okay. Thank you.