[inaudible dialogue]
HAZEL: -- [inaudible] alcoholics.
GEORGE STONEY: Well, that's -- that's -- what made you --
HAZEL: -- that'll turn you against it. She knows what --
[break in video]
HAZEL: [laughs]
STONEY: [Chris?], is that bad in the background?
HAZEL: Is that what?
STONEY: People are talking. Okay.
M1: Go ahead. They weren't talking except for just a little bit, but --
STONEY: Ah, okay good. That's fine.
M1: But it is -- it is going to be in the background --
STONEY: Yeah, that's fine.
M1: -- if they do talk.
STONEY: [That's alright?] [coughs]
CYNTHIA HAYNES: Ready?
STONEY: Yeah.
HAYNES: How long did you work in the weave room?
HAZEL: I worked in the weave room probably about twenty year or more.
HAYNES: Well how come -- why did you quit?
HAZEL: Well, mostly because my husband just wanted me to quit work --
HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: -- and stay at home.
00:01:00HAYNES: Yeah. You didn't have a breathing problem when you quit?
HAZEL: No.
HAYNES: You just got like that after you quit?
HAZEL: Yeah.
HAYNES: Okay. Did you like working in the weave room?
HAZEL: Oh yeah. I loved it.
HAYNES: Yeah. I like my job my job too, but I just feel like the company can do
better for us.HAZEL: Yeah. Then --
HAYNES: [inaudible]
HAZEL: -- you know, we worked hard, but we didn't work as hard as they do now.
[That?] -- I don't think, the way people talk.HAYNES: Yeah. And --
HAZEL: We thought we were working hard. [laughs]
HAYNES: And y'all didn't even have air conditioning, did you?
HAZEL: No, it was hot in that [inaudible]. I'd come out without a dry thread on me sometimes.
HAYNES: I remember when momma would come home and her blouse wouldn't even be --
wouldn't even be a dry place --HAZEL: I know, you'd be wringing wet.
HAYNES: Mmhm.
STONEY: Cut. Beautiful. Okay, that's fine.
M1: [inaudible]
STONEY: Okay, could you just be listening to her? Just be listening to her.
00:02:00HAZEL: [inaudible] Say anything?
STONEY: No, tell her about the neighborhood.
HAZEL: Oh, this neighborhood?
HAYNES: About growing up with daddy and all that.
HAZEL: Oh. Well we all just was like one family, you know?
HAYNES: Mmhm. Yeah.
HAZEL: We all played together as kids. Your mother's -- your daddy, and his
brothers and sisters.HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: And this wasn't nothing but a dirt road out there then. There was no
bathrooms in these houses. We had outside toilets. And we played ball out over there beside you -- [inaudible]STONEY: Do you remember when you got you bathrooms? What year it was?
HAZEL: No, I really don't. It was after --
HAYNES: I believe --
HAZEL: -- I got married, so --
HAYNES: I believe it was in the fifties, 'cause I was --
HAZEL: Yeah, it's been --
HAYNES: It was in the early fifties, because I can remember.
00:03:00HAZEL: I don't -- see [I done?] married and left when they got bathrooms here.
HAYNES: [My grandma was tickled to death?]
HAZEL: [laughs]
HAYNES: [laughs]
HAZEL: So I don't really remember how --
[break in video]
HAYNES: How many was in your family?
HAZEL: How --
HAYNES: How many kids did y'all -- I forgot.
HAZEL: My mother? She had eight.
HAYNES: She had eight, and my grandma had six.
HAZEL: Yeah.
HAYNES: Fourteen kids playing, eh?
HAZEL: [laughs]
HAYNES: They should've had a [ball?]
HAZEL: Well, they were more than that, they was --
HAYNES: Yeah, the neighbors' kids, yeah.
HAZEL: Mmhm. We all ganged up over there, on the side of your grandma's house over there.
HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: Well, I guess she was your grandmother, wasn't she?
HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: Yeah. And -- and we played here, played in the road. We played at --
HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: -- all around here, all us kids.
HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: And then there wasn't nothing but woods and gullies --
HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: -- down through yonder, you know? All the way up to town, everybody
HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: [inaudible]
00:04:00STONEY: Great, that's good [inaudible].
HAZEL: We'd go up to them -- back alleys, we called them.
HAYNES: Yeah, I called them back-to-back alleys. They don't have them no more.
HAZEL: No. It was really --
HAYNES: The garbage trucks would come through the back alley and pick [phone
ringing] up the garbage.HAZEL: Yeah.
HAYNES: Cannon Mill owned the garbage trucks too.
[phone ringing]
HAZEL: Uh huh.
HAYNES: They own the people now, and the town.
HAZEL: [laughs]
HAYNES: [laughs]
HAZEL: Well, they -- people really -- they was really good to come and do anything to your house.
HAYNES: Yeah, they kept the houses up.
HAZEL: Kept your house up good for you if you called them about anything, they'd come and fix it.
HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: When Cannon had it, it was really -- they were really good [inaudible] for people.
STONEY: Okay, Jamie?
[break in video]
HAZEL: -- a year ago. I think it's longer than that, but --
HAYNES: [inaudible] lived, do you remember?
00:05:00HAZEL: He lives, let's see.
HAYNES: He didn't live beside [granny?], he lived below [Haskins?], didn't he?
HAZEL: Mmhm.
HAYNES: Who lived right beside [granny?] down here?
[break in video]
HAYNES: Yeah. And Opal. I saw Opal and Preacher Clayton and them when Lucy died.
HAZEL: Yeah.
HAYNES: I stayed at the hospital with Lucy some.
HAZEL: Did you?
HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: I remember, you know, I was just little --
HAYNES: Poor little old Opal, her husband was the one who got electrocuted [last
year?] --[cough]
HAZEL: [I know?] --
HAYNES: She's humble as she always was. She just as sweet and humble.
HAZEL: I didn't really -- I remember they were little, you know, then too.
HAYNES: Mm.
HAZEL: But I don't remember them too good. But you know Mama always went to their --
HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: -- church over there. And [inaudible] you know, she worked down there and
she was [telling me?] that that was Preacher Clayton's daughter's husband --HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: -- that got --
HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: -- electrocuted, I think.
00:06:00HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: Too bad, wasn't it?
HAYNES: Yeah. She had about eight kids, her and him. [inaudible] his kids and
her kids, then they had one or two. And they had about eight kids altogether.HAZEL: [inaudible]
HAYNES: But most of them's grown up now.
HAZEL: Yeah, I had eight children [myself?]. And raised another one.
HAYNES: Yeah. I had four and that was enough.
HAZEL: Yeah.
HAYNES: [laughs]
HAZEL: [laughs] like that --
HAYNES: -- that's enough to drive you insane.
HAZEL: -- like the TV program. Eight is enough.
HAYNES: [laughs]
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STONEY: In Atlanta, there's these big Christmas demon -- decorations all over
the house and all over the top of the house and everything. You know, it's Santa Claus and [everything?]. But in the middle of that, the grandmother has her own [thing?] that's a shrine to Elvis.HAZEL: Oh.
00:07:00STONEY: She's got things like that up there with Elvis -- I mean, the collection
of stuff she's got of Elvis --HAYNES: Mmhm.
STONEY: -- is just amazing.
HAZEL: Most of the stuff I've got [inaudible] people's give it to me.
HAYNES: Yeah.
HAZEL: My sister give me that clock there with Elvis on it.
STONEY: Wow.
HAYNES: Mmhm.
HAZEL: And she bought me that one little Elvis I got on the [inaudible] out there. My granddaughter [inaudible] [that picture?]. I told [inaudible], I said, I
don't know why they think I'm such a Elvis nut -- I did like his music and I thought he was good in [inaudible] --HAYNES: We appreciate you letting us do this.
F3: Of course.
STONEY: [inaudible]
HAZEL: -- that I wasn't really --
F3: [inaudible]
[break in video]
M1: -- unless she stands out in front
STONEY: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
M1: -- and I -- I put out in front and I put the -- microphone --
M2: This is voice over dialogue. Over, over.
HAYNES: Ready?
STONEY: Yeah.
HAYNES: This vicinity right here's what you call the union stores. These old
00:08:00buildings that you see in the background and over here were the union stores in nine -- in the 1930s. When the union was trying to organize here, they rented this little building over here and held their meetings. And it's just below the mill village, where the mill village ends, then it's just right below it. And the name was so common when I was growing up that if you lived around here, if anybody asked you where you lived, you'd say I live at the union stores and they would know where you lived. And the name didn't really connect until I got active in the union campaigns and then it hit me one day: union stores. And I got to asking questions and I found out that the reason they called it that was because they had held their union meetings here in the thirties. And the drunks all used to come down here and get behind this building and get drunk, [laughs] they did.STONEY: Okay. Okay.
HAYNES: [laughs]
[break in video]
00:09:00[F2 walking around a building]
[M1?]: Okay. [That's a clearer shot?].
[break in video]
00:10:00[camera pans across buildings]
HAYNES: [inaudible] looked at us, they looked [inaudible], but they didn't want
us [inaudible].STONEY: [inaudible]
[camera pans across buildings]
[close-up of street sign; intersection of Miller Street and Central Avenue]
[break in video]
HAYNES: Okay, this vicinity right here that you see, this building here and
these buildings behind me, is what they called the union stores. The reason they call them that is that the union tried to organize in 1934, I think it was. And the union held their meetings in this building back here. And the name was so common that if you lived around here, if anybody asked where you lived, you said, I live at the union stores and they'd know how to find it. And it's just 00:11:00below the line where the mill village is. And the name union stores didn't connect until I got active in the union campaign and then it hit me one day: union stores. And I got to asking around and the older people told me that that's why call them the union stores, because they held their meetings in this little building back here.STONEY: They also had a commissary there. They furnished strikers with food.
HAYNES: Yeah.
STONEY: Did you know that?
HAYNES: No, I didn't know that.
STONEY: Could you tell us that?
HAYNES: They also had a commissary here and they would furnish the strike -- the
people on strike with food.STONEY: Okay, good. Okay, [we're ready?]
00:12:00[inaudible voices of STONEY and F2]
[break in video; new interview]
PAULINE PEARSON: -- see I know him.
HAYNES: Yeah, okay.
STONEY: Okay, [we'll start on?] --
F4: [inaudible]
HAYNES: Ready?
00:13:00STONEY: Yeah. Okay.
HAYNES: Hey Aunt Pauline, tell me about Uncle Red when he was a union organizer
in the thirties.PEARSON: Well the only thing that I can tell you about him was that I idolized
him because he was my uncle and because we was both real red-headed. But the main thing I can remember is when he come to Kannapolis with the union to try to organize Cannon Mill, and he come to dad's to stay with him. And it got pretty bad, they -- part of the people was definitely for the union and then part of the die-hards was not for the union. And it got pretty verbal, and pretty bad. And they came to my daddy and told him that my uncle couldn't stay at our house. 00:14:00Now you got to realize one thing right up front, that daddy had six children.HAYNES: Mmhm.
PEARSON: And he was not union, absolutely, because he feared for his job and his house.
HAYNES: Yeah.
PEARSON: And --
HAYNES: He lived in a company house [didn't he?].
PEARSON: He lived in the company house and you could not mention union 'cause he
you did you was out, absolutely. I don't care how many kids you had. Or whether you had anywhere to live or not. But Uncle Red was staying at [inaudible], said he couldn't stay there, so daddy told him. And if I'm not too bad mistaken, it was Sycamore Street that these guys went and rented a building of some sort. Now you got to remember that I wasn't all that old. But they rented this building and they used it. And I very well remember the turmoil there was, you know. 00:15:00HAYNES: Yeah.
PEARSON: All the screaming and hollering and daddy had to go across there and go
to work, but not Uncle Red. He was union from the top of his head --HAYNES: -- head --
PEARSON: -- to the bottom of his feet and I am too.
HAYNES: I am too.
PEARSON: And my sons are. I mean, this may be out of line and cause one of them
some trouble, but I still say I'm for the union. I always have been and I always will be, and if there's anything I can do to help the people that don't realize what it'll do for them, I'll do it, I'll --HAYNES: [inaudible]
PEARSON: -- help.
STONEY: Tell you -- what do you remember --
[break in video]
STONEY: Just tell --
[break in video]
HAYNES: -- I've been so excited, I didn't know what do and I've been wanting
to know more about him. And anything you can tell me about him, I want to know it.PEARSON: Well the main thing that I can remember mostly about him was how -- how
he was for the union. And I remember going to school and he was on the corner, 00:16:00telling what he knew and what he wanted and all of this. Mama would tell us, don't go by there, go around what we called the branch, and go that way. But not me, I'd go over there and hug around Uncle Red's leg and him telling what the union --HAYNES: Yeah.
PEARSON: -- could do for [them?]. And I do very well remember coming -- people
coming by, you know, and hitting him with their shoulder, but it didn't make a bit of difference to him. He stood his ground, he was union, and he made his speeches regardless of all the verbal abuse, he took it, he did not care. And as far as I -- you know, I -- at that time I really didn't realize what it meant until I had to go to work.HAYNES: Mmhm.
PEARSON: And go in there, to work. And then I really realized what he was really
fighting --HAYNES: Yeah.
PEARSON: -- for. And he was union until he died.
HAYNES: Yeah.
PEARSON: My part of knowing what went on in the cotton mill was, I would go in
00:17:00at eleven o'clock and when the light flashed fifteen minutes later, I'd be wet from here plum down here from sweating. And one of my [inaudible] it was a hundred and ten degrees and if you said anything to anybody about it, they flat told you, if you don't like this, why don't you go home. There's people standing out here in the morning --HAYNES: Yeah.
PEARSON: -- wanting your job.
HAYNES: That's right.
PEARSON: So, you know, that's what I went through all them years of torture. And
I always put it like, I remembered it as the children of Israel under bondage.HAYNES: That's right.
PEARSON: Now that's what I considered us to be.
HAYNES: That's how I feel.
PEARSON: And I never -- could never know what to do about it or nothing 'cause
nobody ever come while I was working. If they had, I would've been out here stomping on the street corners. I would've been doing it because -- but they never did. I didn't get a chance to do that. But my son did. [So?] he worked for the union in seventy-four. He really worked for it. He got threatened and he got 00:18:00verbally abused and he got, you know, terrible things said to him. But he didn't care. He went ahead and worked for it anyway. And that's, you know. But now as far as Uncle Red, I can't, you know -- that's what I can remember about him. That he was definitely union all the way and he really fought for it.STONEY: Tell us about the troops being here and what you saw.
HAYNES: [inaudible]
PEARSON: Well, I remember the -- I remember the soldiers. You know, I said
soldiers, now I don't even know what branch of the service they was or nothing. But like I said, we was kids and we'd run and watch them, you know. And they had machine guns on top of the mill.HAYNES: Yeah.
PEARSON: And [they say?] everybody was scared to death, they was just scared to
death to go to their job or come out or whatnot. It was just like a bunch of rats running in and out, you know, [inaudible] scared. But I definitely remember all of the soldiers, or who -- whatever they was. They call them in to keep 00:19:00peace. And this is not right. This is a free country and you're not supposed to do people that way. So that -- I remember that too, very well. But we'd run to -- up to Cannon Mill and watch them -- what we call Cannon Mill and [Cabarrus?] Mill. We'd run up there and watch them and then we'd run around the lake and come down here and watch them at [Cabarrus?]. And that, you know, backwards and forwards. But that's my first recollection of union, and Uncle Red was the prime man in this -- this time, trying to organize.HAYNES: The union got the blame for bringing them National Guards in, but it was
Charlie Cannon that brought them in.PEARSON: Well, I don't know. See, I don't remember about that. I don't remember
who brought them in or nothing. I just know [this here?] you know --[phone ringing]
PEARSON: And the only --
[break in video]
PEARSON: -- look, you know, to see what --
STONEY: That's beautiful stuff, beautiful stuff. I think we've just about done
it --[break in video]
STONEY: -- for our Barbara Walters. Can you talk like Barbara Walters? [laughs]
00:20:00HAYNES: Uh-uh [laughs]. I don't even like her [laughs].
M1: Okay [inaudible] --
STONEY: You don't like Barbara Walters? She's had her face lifted so many times [laughs].
HAYNES: Ready?
M1: Okay, whenever you're ready.
STONEY: Okay.
HAYNES: Aunt Pauline, ever since I've heard about Uncle Red being a union
organizer, I've been so excited that I just want to know more about him. I just want to know all you know about him.STONEY: Keep looking.
HAYNES: Oh.
STONEY: Ask about the soldiers.
HAYNES: And tell me about the soldiers that they brought in here to keep peace
between the antis and the pro-union workers.STONEY: Again, but just say, "did you see the soldiers when they came?"
HAYNES: Did you see them when they came?
[M1?]: Sure did.
STONEY: Just -- just say, "did you see the soldiers when they came" and don't
turn back to me.HAYNES: Oh okay. Did you see the soldiers when they came in?
00:21:00STONEY: What happened in seventy-four?
HAYNES: Do you remember what happened in seventy-four when they tried to get the
union in?[M1?]: [Campaign for it?].
STONEY: What did you do?
HAYNES: What do you do in the mill? She didn't answer that one though.
STONEY: No, we [knew?] that. Let me see the -- move up to -- kind of mid-close
on her then. Yeah, that's not bad. Could you ask her that, what she did in the mill?HAYNES: What did you do in the mill?
PEARSON: I was a spinner. I spun cotton, yarn, into bobbins which went to the
weave room, and worked from -- the light flashed at eleven o'clock and I worked till seven o'clock the next morning when the light flashed. And I ate a sandwich 00:22:00in my pocket -- I'd carry it in my pocket and set my drink up in the roving creel, and I'd take a drink when I could ever get to it.STONEY: What'd you get paid?
HAYNES: What did you get paid?
PEARSON: Cut.
STONEY: [laughs]
PEARSON: Now I don't remember honestly.
STONEY: Okay, okay.
PEARSON: I mean, it was nothing --
HAYNES: Cut, she's a good one.
PEARSON: -- I know that.
[break in video]
HAYNES: So you was probably making --
PEARSON: -- something about --
HAYNES: -- about twelve or dollars a day.
PEARSON: Something -- something about that, yeah.
STONEY: Alright, okay.
JUDITH HELFAND: Were you working in seventy-four? So were you --
HAYNES: Yeah.
HELFAND: Were you active in the union when Aunt -- when your aunt was campaigning?
PEARSON: Mm-mm.
HAYNES: I was a yes vote, but I didn't do nothing.
STONEY: You might tell us that and why. 'Cause she was telling us about her son
being so active.PEARSON: Mmhm.
HAYNES: Okay.
STONEY: Okay?
HAYNES: Uh --
STONEY: Right.
HAYNES: Well, I was working in seventy-four when they tried to get the union in
and I wasn't active because I went to work in seventy-two and like you said, back then you couldn't say union. You wasn't supposed to say union. I was for 00:23:00the union but I didn't let anybody know it. If somebody asked me, I would say yes, but I wouldn't -- I didn't do like I'm doing now. I wasn't an activist as they call me. I told them to write that in capital letters [laughs]PEARSON: Well I was an active -- activist as you said, but I was not -- I wasn't
in the mill at that time, working, but I did go --HAYNES: I believe you thinking about eighty-five.
PEARSON: Oh, am I?
HAYNES: I think so.
PEARSON: When [inaudible]? Oh, yeah, yeah.
STONEY: Tell us about eighty-five.
PEARSON: I know my son was real active in -- in the union --
HAYNES: I was too in eighty-five.
PEARSON: This is what I told you a while ago that he was verbally, you know,
threatened and all this. But I would go with him to all the meetings. And I would get up and tell how I was treated and to plead with the people and tell them what a union would do for them if they'd just vote for it and get it in 00:24:00there and see. But evidently it didn't work, we didn't do a very good job. But we did work at it.STONEY: Ask her what she thinks of -- what you've just done. Or you might her
what you think you just done.HELFAND: Tell her what you been doing and get her response.
STONEY: Yeah, yeah.
HAYNES: This time, in this campaign?
STONEY: Yeah, mmhm.
HELFAND: Yeah.
HAYNES: Well, in this campaign we've been on the gates handing out leaflets.
We've been wearing badges in the mill that says "Fieldcrest is afraid of me." And the reason we wore them is because they wouldn't let us go to meetings because we were for the union. They told us to our face. And -- and we go in the mill and we scream, "what time is it?" and everybody says "union time." And so yesterday I wore my union shirt to work, you know, the campaign's over now, and they wanted me to work in the office on the computer, and the plant manager come in there, and he saw my shirt, and he told my supervisor, said, "by the way, what time is it?" She said, "company time." They just said that on account of 00:25:00me. And I acted like I didn't even hear them. I just kept on working. Because they needed me in there worse than I needed to be in there. I would have rather been on the floor, where the action is. What do you think about that?PEARSON: I think it's fantastic. I just wish I wasn't as old as I am, and was
able to get out and do the campaigning with you. Because I'd be on the street corners, and I'd be verbally telling everybody because I'm pretty sure that this time that you're talking about now is when, on my job, we couldn't put up no kind of -- you know, we couldn't talk union. It was flat -- the [inaudible] be no union talk. So they was handing -- they was giving papers, and [I'd slip them in] in my pocketbook. And I know my employers are going to see this. I'm the one, you know. I'd put the papers up and they'd come by and jerk them down, you 00:26:00know. And they say, who done this, you know. And nobody'd say anything. It was me. So I --HAYNES: [laughs]
PEARSON: -- go off to get me a cup of coffee or downstairs for something, and
I'd stick one here and one there, you know. So I want you to know, it was me. Now I am union -- I am for the union, and this was my little part that I played, like -- you know, that was all I could do. But if I could this time, or if I had [come and been asked?], I would have went and I would have fought for this because people need it here after all these years of talking this stuff, you need a representative. And the union's what's going to do it for you.HAYNES: Well this is the first campaign I've been in that after it was over the
people kept wearing their union t-shirts and badges. I've never seen it before, and that --[PEARSON?]: [Well, they made them?]
HAYNES: And this boy on the third shift was singing "Mighty, Mighty Union" last
night at work and he was threatened with a reprimand. And I've never seen people 00:27:00standing up like they are now. And it's really -- it thrills me to see it. And they say they're going to make us quit wearing our union t-shirts, but I thought we lived in a free country and we could wear what we want to. So we'll see, 'cause they hadn't got around to me yet, but maybe they will.M1: Tell them about the guy with the stickers.
HAYNES: The same guy that was singing "Mighty, Mighty Union," he's a real tall
black guy, got real long arms, and he would run up and jump as high as he could and stick a sticker on a post. And they'd have to get a [highster?] and raise somebody up to get it off. He kept them busy scraping off stickers.PEARSON: Do you know what I believe? I honestly from my heart I believe that
them people that's doing that stuff, deep down in their heart they are union.HAYNES: -- in their heart they know that they want a union.
PEARSON: They certainly do.
HAYNES: They do.
PEARSON: And you know, they're afraid. They're afraid of that little penny ante
job, just like all the rest of us was, you know. 00:28:00HAYNES: They're afraid they'll starve to death 'cause I've heard my grandpa say
if you didn't work for Cannon Mill you wasn't working.PEARSON: Absolutely.
HAYNES: He'd say you wouldn't work in a pie factory if you didn't -- didn't he?
PEARSON: It's true.
HAYNES: If you wasn't working at Cannon, you wouldn't work in a pie factory.
STONEY: Okay, let's get --
HELFAND: You know, one other thing.
STONEY: Yeah?
[break in video]
I've been trying to get her --
[break in video]
HAYNES: Okay.
HELFAND: Tell her all about the way that they've been using --
HAYNES: I'm going to tell them what they been --
[break in video]
HAYNES: Ready?
M1: Yep.
HAYNES: During this campaign they've used everything they could against us.
They've even drug up old movies of strikes of coal miners --PEARSON: Yeah.
HAYNES: -- and they showed them one movie, and they said the women had on bell
bottom pants and cat-eye glasses. And they people come out of the meeting, laughing at the company. They said what kind of -- I don't like to say fools, but what kind of fools do they think we are? But still -- and they use strikes every time they hand out a leaflet or letter it's got strikes and dues underlined.PEARSON: Yeah. Right, right.
HAYNES: And they --
PEARSON: But --
00:29:00HAYNES: Yeah. And they've posted a paper on the office wall that told how many
strikes ACTWU had been in. And the people around here live from hand to mouth and they know if they miss one pay day, they'll go under.PEARSON: Mmhm.
HAYNES: And they think that we'll go on strike the day after the union goes in
and we will not. We have to vote to go on a strike.PEARSON: Well, yeah, but you know, that's what I told this one fellow. I said, I
hope -- I would hope that the union would get in and if I'd be conducting it, I'd say, come out, we're striking today. And put down --HAYNES: Uh huh. I -- me too --
PEARSON: Put down what we expected and --
HAYNES: That's Uncle Red's blood coming through our veins [laughs].
PEARSON: That's the only way they're ever going to do anything anyway.
HAYNES: That's exactly right.
STONEY: Okay.
M1: This is room tone for the previous interview.